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  • 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)

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  • If you can't find them, then (like many people) that's a sign you're used to an environment where anti-Blackness is normalized. So, imagine a Black person reading this thread who's been targeted by racism on the fediverse. What comments would they think are dismissive of Black people?

  • Examples of racism on Lemmy?

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  • I'm not saying to pour through millions of posts, this one and the one I linked to have plenty of examples.

  • Examples of racism on Lemmy?

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  • I was agreeing with you that moderation can make a big difference in how many people see the racist posts (and defederating from instances that are known sources of racism). Still, even when moderators remove posts, people still see them -- people in this thread talked about posts using "playing the race card", inflammatory memes, and other stuff that moderators removed. So I don't see it as moving the bar from the question of whether people have seen racism. But I certainly agree that racism that moderators don't address is a bigger problem!

  • Examples of racism on Lemmy?

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  • Yeah. It's endemic in society, so there's no reason that specific social networks are magically exempt from it.

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  • Whatever works! lol

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  • These are all good points (and not having anything like Mastodon's followers-only posts removes another way to hide in obscurity). Moderators certainly got involved in some of the cross-posts of the earlier thread, at least a dozen comments were removed on beehaw and a couple people got banned from the awful.systems thread.

    On the other hand, downvoting can also be used as a weapon to try to bury discussions of racism (this thread btw is at -17, the previous one is at -70).

    Also somebody here mentions that "There’s currently only 1 user that I’ve noticed that keeps bringing race up." (hiii!!!!). A culture where people don't talk about race means that whiteness is normalized and unexamined. And quite a few of the comments in this thread (saying I'm the racist, analogizing me to a "Karen", calling me a fool) and the previous ones ("is this a joke?", "haha", "Lol, how is race relevant? Obv rage bait shitpost", the one analogizing me to Hitler) are all consistent with an environment where reactions to somebody bringing up race are hostile. Almost nobody is challenging these comments, in fact they've got plenty of upvotes.

  • Examples of racism on Lemmy?

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  • The previous post that I linked to is now down to -70! Discussions about racism often make people very uncomfortable. Thanks for all your responses in the thread that came from this, one of the commenters blocked me so I can't respond directly to them, but I greatly appreciate it!

  • Examples of racism on Lemmy?

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  • How about you look at this an other threads for the examples that others are describing?

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  • Good point, thanks. It's great that mods are blocking sources of racism, although also means that people who don't see can wind up thinking that there isn’t any racism.

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  • Thanks! Yeah, one of the dynamics is that when people quickly report and mods take the posts down quickly, most people don't see them ... which is good, but also means that it's easy to believe that there isn't any racism.

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  • Thanks, it's a great example, and good to hear they got banned quickly! It's a great point that when moderators are proactive most people don't see the posts so think there's less racism than there actually is.

  • 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)

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  • Thanks, in the revised version I'll clarify the "Post less". And, I also have suggestions about amplifying Black voices similar to your last paragraph.

  • Examples of racism on Lemmy?

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  • Thanks for the pointer.

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  • Good point, thanks. I seem to recall another one as well -- although both were widely defederated so I suspect most people on those instances didn't wind up seeing them.

  • Examples of racism on Lemmy?

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  • Thanks!

  • 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)

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  • 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)

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  • Thanks for making the effort to research it ... there are some great examples in this thread and some of the cross-posts (although some were so egregious that the mods took them down). Also, did you follow the links at the beginning of the article? They're talking about Mastodon (I'll include some examples from Lemmy in the revised version) but give an idea o the overall dyamics. In any case, I'll put in a big more about the problem in the revised draft.

  • 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)

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  • That's a great point, can I quote you on having seen it on Lemmy quite a few times?

  • 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!)

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  • Thanks very much for the feedback, I really appreciate the time you put into it and. you bring up a lot of very good points. For "start making" vs "making" and "less toxic" vs "more welcoming", I'm intentionally choosing the weaker forms to emphasize that these are only the very first steps. I know it's a harder sell this way but it's important to set expectations. It's a good point about how some allies saying :"listen to me!" take space from marginalized groups, I kind of feel like I've got that covered by betweent the combination of #1 and #2 but maybe it's worth making more explicit.

    Agreed that the discussion of repeated questions could be more explicit. (It's not necessarily sealioning, although sometimes it is; often it's the same one or two reasonable questions from a huge number of people.). But that's not actually the key point I'm trying to make. Instead, to relates to this:

    the way that this point is currently worded, it sounds fallacious (inversion of the burden of the proof)

    Many people react that way but think about it a little more. It's a fact. Mutliuple Black people have proven it repeatedly. There is no further burden of proof, it's only whiteness' denial that makes it seem like an open question and entitlement that makes it seem like Black people should produce more evidence. The annoyance factor is a big deal too, but it's secondary.

    And, good catch on the typo, thanks!

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