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  • Protests continue after ICE agent fatally shoots woman in Minneapolis

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  • objective reasonableness at the moment

    Ok I'll bite since you're too dumb/cowardly to look it up yourself. There are dozens of factors that weigh on a ruling.

    • Number of belligerents (e.g multiple people surrounding the car)
    • Availability of other options (e.g not getting in front of the car, noting driver and plate for later)
    • Rules on force from authority, declaration of intent and proof of authority (e.g where are badges???)
    • Behavior before and after the event (e.g boxing in the car, not allowing medical attention)
    • Proportional force and timing of force (e.g dumping 3+ shots into the car well after the threat is gone)
    • Behavior of victim before the event (e.g victim is on a routine drive home on a public road)

    And on and on and on.... But sure, keep chanting "moment it's used" as if it's a magic spell that grants your jack boots immunity. Go polish some soles you fucking fascist.

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  • What you can't do is look up the actual law and find out you're wrong you fucking coward. Go do it. Go ahead. Hell you don't even have to do that much, just look up what lawyers and prosecuters are saying. Spoiler: everyone not wearing a Maga hat is coming to the same conclusion.

    You also don't have the moral fortitude to call a spade a spade: this ICE agent was unilaterally deployed for intimidation and that reckless order got an innocent woman killed. How many "deportations" is that worth? What rule of law is being upheld when citizens are being killed without justification by gunmen in the streets?

    I'm using caps, insults and repetition as a communication method to get past your thin skinned denial of reality. Open your fucking eyes! This is absurd. I'm not going to have a calm and rational conversation about whether we should or should not be allowing innocent citizens to be gunned down in the street for the crime of startling a thug.

    We're long past debating theoretical idiotic tariffs, people are fucking dying. And you're just having a great time deep throating that boot to the ankle. Thanks for the catharsis tho, I'm glad dipshits like you are here to play the idiot

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  • Read the fucking law if you're such an armchair lawyer. You might find out your fucking fantasy defense is bullshit. I see evidence of a man taking a stupid belligerent action that got an innocent woman killed. You're just covering your eyes and hoping the unfortunate truth goes away.

    The legal standard is still reasonable perception of imminent threat at the moment force was used

    IT'S VERY FUCKING CLEARLY NOT YOU STUPID NEANDERTHAL. LOOK IT UP. LOOK IT UP. LOOK IT UP. STOP PRETENDING THAT THE LAW FITS YOUR FANTASY NARRATIVE. LOOK IT UP.

    Also what fucking 0.25 speed narration? There is plenty of time to consider your actions when you're walking up to a car you have no business approaching and deliberately positioning yourself in a dangerous spot. If you're such a scared and panicked super soldier with an itchy trigger finger you shouldn't fucking be there. As a matter of fact, you're probably too goddamn stupid to be holding a gun, whoever appointed you there and sent you out on the street is criminally negligent at best.

    And my mockery isn't the law, it's what you deserve you shit eating boot licker 💩👅🥾👅👅

  • The Black Panthers in Philadelphia know their rights. Do you?

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  • An officer doesn't escalate the situation and start shooting people? shocked_pikachu.jpg

    You say mom in SUV threat, how scary man with gun not??

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  • Bro doesn't know how to read the fucking law. I spelled it out for you, should I use crayons next time?

    🥾👅👅👅

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  • They do. It's pretty fucking obvious here. He wasn't acting in accordance with any law. Hell, he probably doesn't even have a badge on! In this engagement he's just a guy with a vest, a gun and a mask.

    If I were to glue "Police DHS" onto a vest, step in front of a car and execute the driver I would be in fucking jail. Assuming I wasn't already killed by a panicked bystander. There is no "self defense" plea for me. It doesn't mean jack shit if I thought I was making a citizen's arrest. That is exactly what happened here.

    We should be holding LEO (if you want to call these thugs that) to a higher standard than a civilian driving home from school. Period. Would you be defending these actions from an off duty police officer? Because that's what he was in the most optimistic light: a guy with a gun and a mask.

    Don't answer, we already know you're a groveling boot licker. I hope that pays off when they're kicking in your door, shooting first and asking questions later.

    Edit: for shits and giggles, look up the actual legal basis for self defense. It doesn't apply if you start the engagement (e.g moving to block someone's car) or if the force used is not proportional to the threat (e.g a car moving forward at 2 mph and braking vs 4 gunshots to the head).

    His response to the threat was not even going to ensure his safety ffs! A car with an incapacitated driver is just as dangerous (to you and bystanders) as a car with a hostile driver. Did you not see it speed off into a telephone pole? That is the textbook reason why field manuals prohibit doing it.

    No defense of this holds up to any scrutiny unless you're determined to shut your eyes and ignore reality.

  • 2026 is gonna be my year

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  • They're shooting fireworks for each other 🥹

  • Texas becomes first state to end American Bar Association oversight of law schools

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  • I don't think it can mean anything even in the best case scenario. If a Texas lawyer is now allowed to use their toilet paper degree in other states that doesn't mean they have to get hired.

    If someone is dumb/cheap enough to hire one, they're going to get a shitty lawyer.

  • French judges alarmed by rumors of potential US sanctions

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  • France should be covering their assets as a workplace hazard. They're performing their civic duty, you have to insulate them from international interference.

  • Protests continue after ICE agent fatally shoots woman in Minneapolis

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  • There is no law for what they're doing. That's not a defense. Their job, ostensibly, is to remove "dangerous criminals who shouldn't be here" and ensure safety in that neighborhood. What actually happened is they fucked around and murdered a woman who had literally nothing to do with their operation for no sane reason.

    Like I know you're just a rage bait account (no one could be this fucking stupid) but imagine if this was a normal police officer. These cops are here for, say, a drug bust and this car pulls into the street and tries to Y turn to get out. There is literally no reason to engage with the car, much less walk in front of it, much less shoot the fucking driver. Unless your goals are illegal use of force for political intimidation, that car should drive away 10/10 times.

    It's not a tactical question. It's not about self defense. It's murder. If a soldier in a fucking war zone did this it would still be a war crime. And we're talking about broad daylight in Minneapolis after a mom drops off her kids at school.

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  • ICE should just listen to protesters and go home. Then nobody gets hurt

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  • His job description does not include playing vigilante and pulling anyone in his way out of cars. He chose to pretend he was invincible and step in front of a car with no bearing on his orders; she had nothing to do with their sweep, he just wanted to intimidate some middle aged soccer mom. Everything after that decision is blood on his hands.

    There's a reason no real LEO would put their hands on a car in gear, let alone voluntarily walk in front of it to prevent it from moving unless it's a serious life-death situation. That shit will get you hurt, intentionally or not. She didn't have a weapon, she wasn't kidnapping anyone. If you think that middle aged woman needs to be caught and questioned you can always get her plate and follow up later.

    Use your goddamn head before escalating a situation and you won't need to worry about self defense.

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  • Again you're conflating their dubious federal powers of immigration enforcement + "self defense" against a well defined and core process of election. People can disingenuously argue frame-by-frame on a video about "intent" or "threats" all day. You can't let them do the same to the clearly written, fundamental legal structure of the country.

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  • Holy fuck just stop talking about US governance if you don't know what you're saying. Declaring a state's elected officials are terrorists or putting them in jail does not remove them from office.

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  • Because there is nothing giving the federal government jurisdiction over state elections, it is very explicitly a power reserved to the states. As I've said, they can go far beyond their jurisdiction to interfere but there is nothing that can happen to grant them the constitutional power.

    it wouldn't be legitimate by traditional standards

    No, this phrasing right here is the problem☝️

    IT WOULD NOT BE LEGITIMATE BY ANY STANDARD. THE USA WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY A HOSTILE FORCE

    The difference between those two things is the difference between your EU neolib governments covering their eyes and going about business as usual and actually responding to the crisis that it is. That recognition is very real and tangible both in the USA and internationally.

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  • It's so moronic how I 2 days ago was downvoted to oblivion for claiming that [...] he can shut down the midterm election, because the federal agencies have higher jurisdiction than local authorities.

    You should be downvoted because that's not how jurisdiction or granted powers or authority work relative to the constitution. Like yeah, he can:

    • tell the Supreme Court to make him king of his kangaroo kingdom
    • burn down polling stations and arrest everyone who shows up
    • have his House speaker refuse to swear in "contested" elections and hang all representatives that jump to the nascent quorum in the new, legitimate House
    • topple state governments and only allow loyalists to be appointed, thus abolishing state elections

    Could those things happen? Sure. But that's not the same thing as keeping a continuity of legitimate governance in any sense of the phrase. You're just describing things that anyone could do with a handful of cronies and an occupying army. He emphatically does not have to mechanism to change the constitution to sanction those actions.

    Calling any of that "in his jurisdiction" is dumb as fuck and preemptively legitimizing a hostile occupation. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of American political institutions and encourages fatalistic defeatism.

  • ICE agent shoots, kills woman in Minneapolis; Walz puts National Guard on standby

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  • Just to add on for the people in the back:

    protesting means losing healthcare and housing

    Unlike in a sane country, this can be damn close to a death sentence. 11% of Americans have diabetes and can just straight up die when they lose access to insulin. Hospitals do not give any service beyond emergency care if you're uninsured, God forbid you need something like regular dialysis. Homeless services are barely existent and are stretched to the limit already; unhoused people have something like a 3.5x mortality rate. If you spiral and lose your housing you're statistically taking 20 years off of your life.

    And of course some people are still taking that risk. I hope people in a safer position read this as a call to action. If you have stable housing, good health and have transportation to a state capital you're in a better situation to act than the majority of Americans.

  • Trump stuns as he floats nuclear option on midterms: 'They should cancel the election'

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  • He can ignore the results or arrest anyone but that just makes him a guy occupying the white house who is no longer the president. They could try their hand at a civil war (if the guns stay in line) but there's no mechanic available to modify the constitution and give them legitimacy. At best they could depose state governments and put in their own people. But anybody with an army can claim the USA by that method.

  • China says it cannot accept countries acting as 'world judge' after US captures Maduro

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  • Nobody is crying wolf here, this is just a statement of imports and exports based on publicly available data giving context to China's interests in the region. Is admitting that China works for their own geopolitical interests too much for you? We're now down to dismissing public customs and OPEC data because engaging in foreign economic interests is a little too close to American imperialism for comfort?