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  • Hrm.

    Ok.

    FPS? No idea. I don't play games for the visuals at all, and if you gifted me a high end gaming PC I still wouldn't. It's not a question of superiority or inferiority, it's just down to taste.

    So as I said, we would seem to agree that Mac Gamers do not have very high graphical standards, compared to PC/Linux/Console gamers.

    Like uh, let me put it this way: Calling 40 FPS in Cyberpunk 77 'good' at 1080p is an actual joke to me.

    I can do better than that on my Steam Deck at its native resolution, and .... thats a portable device.

    'Good' to me would be over 60 fps at 2K / 1440p, like an average around 75 fps.

    I'm not trying to say that games must have absurdly good graphics to be a good game, hell no, far from it.

    But... when you're actually just talking specifically about advanced graphics ... it seems that you, a Mac Gamer, just don't consider them much.

    So your standards there are lower, because you just don't value them as much.

    Like how you could compare two cars for practical usefulness, and conclude car A is an overall better choice, but if you're specifically talking about which car can go from 0-60 faster, well now car B is a the clear winner there.


    ... I don't have BG3, and I tried to look up comparative numbers for BG3 on a Steam Deck, turns out Larian just actually released a Linux native version that's significantly better than the Proton/Windows version, for Steam Deck users.

    https://sportsrant.indiatimes.com/gaming/baldurs-gate-3-steam-deck-performance-guide-september-2025-update/articleshow/126670240.html

    So if I had the game, what I would do, on a Deck, is up a few more of those settings from low to medium, get to a generally stable FPS just above 45, instead of aiming for 60, and then the Deck OLED at least will let you lock the frame rate at 45, but the refresh rate at 90, so in most games that are not quite fast paced, that'll basically just 'feel' like 90 fps most of the time.

    So you end up with a $550 portable machine that can, at least at its native settings, outperform your admittedly signifcantly older, but $1100 2017 iMac, by way of running basically mostly medium settings with a few at low.

    Adjust for inflation thats like uh, Steam Deck for about $585, iMac for about $1450. And you put aftermarket (Or is it more like Bonus with Macs?) ram in it as well.


    I dunno, I'm not trying to sound like an ass, I'm trying to do actual comparisons of some kind, but you don't know the FPS, didn't indicate a resolution...

    Which again, makes sense in as much as: You don't care that much about those things.

    But its hard to do graphics comparison without such info.

  • I really would like an actual answer here... maybe there is some kind of way to run a graphically advanced/demanding game on Mac?

    https://www.macworld.com/article/2852664/cyberpunk-2077-ultimate-edition-review.html

    The game includes presets that adjust graphics settings for different Mac models, and there are some useful support pages for the Mac version at support.cdprojektred.com, which will help you to get the best performance from the game. I got a steady 40fps when running the game at 1,920 x1,200 resolution on my MacBook Pro with an M2 Pro chip, so you don’t need the latest, fastest Mac models to get good performance.

    Apparently Mac Gamers do not have the highest graphical standards, if... 40 fps at basically 1080p x 1.1 counts as 'good performance'.

  • ... Well, watch the video I linked, his son and ex-wife disagree with you, they say he lost his eye in '91 '93, not teaching firearm safety, but instead in the above scenario.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Rhodes

    Rhodes married Tasha Adams in 1994 after meeting her a few years earlier in Las Vegas.[46][7] When they met, Adams was 18 years old and working at an Arthur Murray Dance studio, and Rhodes was a 25-year-old college student.[11] Adams worked as an exotic dancer to financially support Rhodes' education during their marriage.[11] Before their marriage, Rhodes accidentally shot himself in the face with a .22 handgun after dropping it, leaving him using a prosthetic eyeball.[7][11]

    Where citations 7 and 11 are New York Times and Los Angeles Times articles that cite Tasha Adams, the Rhodes' ex wife.

    But I did make a mistake, this happened in '93, not '91.

    If you can't provide the video, I'm going with you remembered it wrong, or maybe a different video of an instructor shooting themself was just labelled as being Rhodes.

    And I am also not joking about Rhodes training ICE goons.

    He's literally the exact kind of person who would be eager to do so, and he could probably easily get a job doing that, either officially or as basically a contractor.

    I can't provide any evidence that he has, but like I said, it would not surprise me at all.

  • I mean, I2P is a FOSS project, from its inception.

    Frankly, I don't a damn for any tech being developed by a private company of crypto bros, they're all corrupt liars, beyond the possible exception of monero, who seem to actually be competent at security/privacy/anonymity, unlike literally all other crypto.

  • Hard disagree.

    What flaws are you talking about?

    Also, we know that a major problem with TOR is that LE/Intel agencies run their own nodes, and if you bounce through enough of them, or you got through a honeypot exit node, they can deanonymize you, this has happened before, and it probably happens more than is publically known.

    That and if you run a node, and the US government finds out, and they don't like you, they will shut it down, raid you.

    Meanwhile, the multi-stage packet encryption and relay method of I2P makes it much more difficult to decrypt a packet and then also figure out which parts of which packet are going to who.

  • I2P.

    Essentially, what if the entire internet worked kinda like how torrents do, and was also anonymized and E2EE?

    Well, it would be pretty slow, but it would also be extremely distributed and difficult to censor/disrupt.

    Basically, everyone on I2P is a micro-relay for everyone else.

  • I don't know if Rhodes actually trained ICE goons (though it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was the case to some extent), but I do want to chime in with Rhodes' son and ex-wife explaining how Stewart lost his eye.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=fGhCwSlOJeI

    Basically, in 1991, he was either taking his mom's old .22 derringer, to give it to his friend, a crack dealer, and he at one point dropped the gun, looked at it, it fired into his eye...

    ...which on its own would be illegally transferring an unregistered firearm to a convicted felon...

    ... Or, what the ex-wife and son surmise, is that he was actually running security for a drug deal, and then dropped the gun, it fired into his eye.

    Either way, he had a prosthetic eye from '91 onward, and then... well according to the son and ex wife, at some point, he just stopped cleaning it, his eye socket got infected, ruptured, he never bothered to get it fully surgically repaired to the point it could accept/fit a prosthetic eye, and just started wearing an eye patch.


    ... I will note that his ex wife mentions that Stewart had a habit of trying to palm small concealable pistols, basically as a magician will palm various props in a magic show routine.

    A fair number of older .22 derringers do not have trigger guards, so... in my opinion, it could be the case that he tried to palm such a derringer, and, not accounting for the lack of a trigger guard, actually did literally pull the trigger (within the folds of his palm) and directly shot himself in the face.

    While I have no idea what the specific model of derringer was, here is an example of what I am talking about:

    As you can see, no trigger guard.

    If you tried to palm such a weapon, you probably could negligently discharge it fairly easily.


    Anyway, there are at least a few kind of viral videos of firearms safety instructors aciddentally firing a weapon or shooting themself that go back to the earlier days of the internet... I don't know that any of those were Stewart Rhodes, though.

    It would make sense that anybody with a video like that of themselves floating around would try to get it scrubbed, or it could be taken down due to depicting violence/gore...

    So my guess would be that yes you have seen videos like what you describe... yes they are harder to find these days, but, it might not have been Rhodes in them.

  • Negligent Discharge vs Uncommanded Discharge.

    Negligent Discharge is where somebody carelessly caused the weapon to fire essentially via poorly handling it / being a dumbass.

    Uncommanded Discharge is where the weapon essentially fires itself due to a mechanical failure or design flaw inherent to the weapon itself, such as a pistol firing on its own after being dropped and hitting the ground, despite the trigger not actually being pulled.

    You can also get a 'hangfire'.

    Basically, old or defective ammo can result in a situation where you pull the trigger, the hammer/striker drops... and then nothing happens for 5, 10, 15 seconds... and then the weapon fires.

    Hangfires are extremely dangerous because yes, you did intend for the weapon to fire, but you also expected it to fire when you pulled the trigger, not... a random and unknowable amount of time after you pulled the trigger.

    Though I guess you could get a hangfire that is initiated by an uncommanded discharge, if your Luck stat is somehow negative.

  • Tactical Yiffing

  • You're giving the guy a lot of grace.

    Yep, I am.

    I haven't read every other response in the thread.

    I dunno, he was able to admit a fault to me, that's much better than I usually get in such a conversation as this.

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  • See these eyes so green

    I can stare for a thousand years

    Colder than the moon

    ... It's been so long...

    ...

    See these eyes so red

    Red like jungle, burning bright

    Those who feel me near

    Pull the blinds and change their minds


    ... I remember the immense irony hitting me the next morning.

    That the lyrics of that song, that scene, had basically just actually played out... as a result of me very much wanting her to see that scene, hear that song.

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  • Well at the risk of sounding vain, possibly she was more interested in me than the movie.

    Either that or she was just quite tired.

    IIRC, she did just actually fall asleep maybe 2/3 way through the movie.

    ???

  • I mean, Proton is also open source and... its basically a giant extension/revision of WINE.

    So, my guess would be that MacOS (OSX?) is so significantly different than most Linux distros, that you'd pretty much have to develop it to work with Mac libraries, whereas its currently developed and tuned to work with Linux libraries.

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  • I once absolutely missed out on doing the hanky panky with a gal...

    ... because I was absolutely insistent that we must watch all of Inglorious Basterds.

    We were literally already in my bed, the entire time.

    ... But I was apparently more enamored with the movie and functionally spreading it as gospel.

    Like, she actually groped me and whispered for me to roll her around and face her, as opposed to me being the big spoon, and I was like "No you don't understand, you have to see this movie."

    ... I guess the difference here being that I was entirely aware of the possible routes of that uh, encounter, and I consciously chose the movie, lol.

  • Out of genuine curiosity:

    What is the most graphically complex game you've got working on a Mac?

    FPS?

    Resolution?

    Hardware?

  • No, you basically cannot use Proton on Mac to anywhere near the degree it currently supports games on Linux.

    Long story short, they differ a lot.

    Think of like... a bear, dog, and cat all have a single common ancestor if you go back far enough.

    ... But they are significantly different from each other in a wide variety of ways.


    It seems that there are some semi-comparable ways to do more gaming on a Mac.

    1. Dual Boot Asahi Linux, then use Proton from Asahi, running Windows games via Proton on Linux, on Mac hardware.

    https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2025/02/07/proton-asahi-linux-mac-gaming-tutorial.html

    Seems to technically work, but basically to me it sounds like where Proton on non-Mac baremetal Linux was around 4-5 years ago, ie, theres a lot of work to be done, but, some things work reasonably well.

    1. Port the game to Mac yourself with the Mac game porting toolkit.

    https://developer.apple.com/games/game-porting-toolkit/

    Somewhat hilariously to me, many Mac/Tech media sites have described this as 'Basically Proton for Mac', which uh, no, its not, not even close.

    Proton takes Windows hooks and calls and translates them in realtime to execute in realtime on a Linux system. Only non instant thing is building up a shader cache, but I'm pretty sure you do that on Windows too.

    This... is porting a game.

    Granted, it is impressive that any kind of automated tool/system like this even exists at all, but uh, this is more like a guided recompiling of the entire game binary to something that will run natively on a Mac.

    So that is... not any kind of a realtime translation layer.

    As best I can tell, results for how well it actually works are roughly:

    Most of the time it does produce a valid, working game binary, but performance is often terrible for more graphically complex games.


    I guess if any Mac users have more info or corrections to this, I'm all ears.

    I know much more about linux and windows than Mac, so I may be missing something or innacurate.

  • I would assume, though I could be wrong, that by not challenging it, they either tacitly conceeded the point, or, perhaps did not even mean to say it in the way they said it, with the meaning/implication that phrasing has, as they have said English is their third language, not their first.

  • Oh dear.

    Yes, that is what I meant, but ... I now realize I should have specified that.

    Yes, you don't need to mainline the coconut water for it to be good for you lol!

  • I didn't expect to catch one in the wild, but evidently they just can't help themselves.

  • Sure, yeah, there's a test.

    Papers please!

    Mhm, I see, yes, voted for the child murdering rapist pedophile conman.

    Ah.

    Not a great look.

    Anyway, you'e been expelled from the 'Leftism Understander' class due to being an obvious idiot troll, please collect your things or they will be equitably redistributed amongst the remaining students, according to their need.

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