A little Green anarchy keeps the powerful scared, and a true rebel knows the planet is worth fighting for.
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Two Democratic state Senators were just brutally attacked, and at least one killed. That’s not the time for Democrats to introspect, it’s a time to be outraged.
I agree with outrage. I don't agree with violence as a reaction though. My point being that the whole narrative of "violence is right to fight back" is the exact same mindset this shooter had. In his mind, he thought violence is right to fight back, and he used it. Do you think this is a good thing?
I'm saying it's wrong. But hey, you keep advocating for violence. Let me know how what works for you. I'm not going to join in your bloodlust and I don't care what side you are on. Be sure let us know how your FBI interview goes after they read this thread.
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Something has changed. Hanging out on left wing social spaces has put me so far behind the information curve.
I've noticed stuff like that too. I think it's because republicans use to be so quick to judge based on emotion, and not facts. And they got called out for it. So now they are more inclined to be more informed so they don't look like dumbasses.
Even in this comm. When the iran-israel bombing thing happened I came here expecting a bunch of links and thoughtful comment. Nope. This sub stayed basically quiet while it was happening. Fox news lit up tho. Same with this shooting. Why is it taking so long to be in this sub?
Is this place censoring stuff like that or what? Why isn't stuff like that reported here anymore?
And as we can see in this thread, Lemmy is starting to do the exact same things that republicans used to be guilty of--acting on emotion rather than facts. I knew as soon as I said violence is never the answer, people were just gonna jump in and say whatabbout hitler bro!
Again, showing their lack of context and facts. I think (hope!) that Lemmy as a whole is smarter than this, but the ones who seem to comment the most aren't giving me much hope.
Lemmy, you won't win with violence. I promise. You don't have the numbers or the skills. You couldn't even enough people to vote, they aren't gonna joined you in some armed resistance.
Use your brains, not our fists. You fist are just gonna get you stomped down faster. It's exactly what the people in power want you to do. They want you to not use your brain, and immediately jump to violence. Downvoting me doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means you're upset. It doesn't change anything though.
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I'm not both sidesing at all. I said violence isn't the answer. Regardless of who it is. You all are seriously getting upset because I said that violence like this is bad for everyone?! Never change, Lemmy...
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Do you believe that eliminating trump would end what’s happening in the US?
EDIT because I misread your comment: No.
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K. So if people couldn't even be bothered to get out of their chairs to vote, do you think they are suddenly gonna jump up and down with excitement and join you in your adventures?
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I never said it was a both sides problem. I said that violence isn't the solution, and that republicans are hoping for a violent uprising. Because they outnumber you and are trained better than you. Even if all the armchair warriors here on Lemmy joined together, you still wouldn't have the numbers.
Think about it: If people couldn't even be bothered enough to do something easy like rise up and vote, you think they are suddenly gonna join in on a violent mob uprising against the government?
This violence is the answer mindset is exactly what this shooter had. You happy with that outcome?
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I agree with your sentiment.
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Which is probably the exact thought process this shooter had. And he followed through. Do you think that's a good thing? Look at the results. There is no winner here. If you're itching for a fight, have at it. Which side do you think is better trained?
You all will not win this with violence. The repub military machine wants you to try to rise against them. Also add in the fact that you don't have the numbers. You all sit here all day advocating for a violent uprising. But the numbers needed for that never show up.
Repubs want to stomp you into oblivion. They are legit foaming at the mouth hoping that the crazies here follow through with their threats. You can't win this with violence--you don't have the numbers or the training. How can you all not see that? But you are smarter than them. So start fucking using the smart part of your brain.
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Sometimes violence is the answer, actually.
Looks like the shooter(s?) of these Democratic politicians agreed with you in thinking that violence is the answer. You approve? He was just as strong in his beliefs as you. Think that's a good thing? He followed through with his beliefs and convictions. I hope you don't follow the same path.
I'm a lifelong pacifist and activist. You can come up with all the scenarios you want, but I will never advocate violence.
The fact that any post that says violence is bad, gets so many downvotes on Lemmy, shows me why this platform will never grow much beyond where it is now. You all are becoming the very extremists that you used to rage against. You all seem to want war just as much as the other side does.
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Maybe. Maybe not. They're saying the suspect was appointed by Tim Walz, and they found anti-Trump signs in the car. It could be an attempt to throw people off the scent, or it might just be a personal vendetta. We don’t know. Either way, no matter what side the shooter is on, it’s bad for any political party. It will only fuel more dissent and division.
I remember when Trump was shot at, and people here were celebrating, saying things like, "Oh, I wish they had better aim." Now, it’s happened to Democrats, and people are acting horrified.
Shooting political figures is never a good thing, regardless of their party. Lemmy needs to stop celebrating violence when it happens to people they don’t like. The reality is, this stuff happens to people they do like too. Violence is never the answer; it always ends up worse.
Many of these things end with the shooter killing themselves. I hope that doesn't happen here, because I want his craziness exposed and have him serve rest of his life in prison. Just the pics of the weird-ass mask that he wore doing it proves he's out of his mind.
Great analogy! Even in this thread there are heaping amount of copium with people saying, "Meh, ai will never be able to do my job."
I fucking promise in 5 years, ai will be doing the job they have right now. lol
As a CS grad, the problem isn’t it replacing all programmers, at least not immediately. It’s that a senior software engineer can manage a bunch of AI agents, meaning there’s less demand for developers overall.
Yes! You get it. That right there proves that you'll make it through just fine. So many in this thread denying that Ai is gonna take jobs. But you gave a great scenario.
I don’t understand how you think this works.
Do you think I am the only one that thinks like this? You don't think middle and upper management thinks like I do?
But I don’t see any radical shift in the industry.
Oh, I'm saving this comment. Dude, go into any CSjobs forum and you tell me that there's not a shift in the industry. lol
I'll say this. I hope you're right. (but you're not)
My biggest concern is probably that AI is currently eating junior dev jobs, since what it excels at is typically the kind of work you’d give to a junior engineer.
Yeah, def gonna be rough for people graduating from college right now.
100 percent. YOu said in two sentences what I have been trying to say to others. I think you are 100 percent correct. Management will count on AI long before they actually should. That shortsightedness has always been around and always will be.
Well I'm old, so not looking for a job, I am just learning programming because i want to. But to your point, I am seeing LOTS of developers who have been laid off and finding another job is proving more challenging than ever before. It's rough out there and I feel for them.
To copy what someone else in this thread said:
The idea that AI will some day be good at coding isn’t the issue. The issue is that some people in management think it’s already well on the way to being a good substitute, and they’re trying to do more with fewer coders to everyone’s detriment.
Do you think there’s any reason to believe that these tools are going to continue their breakneck progress?
I do.
And as I mentioned in another comment, it's not so much that I think AI will do a better job, it's that I think MANAGEMENT will think AI does a cheaper job. Already many tech people who have been laid off are saying it's the worst job market they've ever seen.
AI sucks. But management is about dollars NOW. The are shortsided, fall into fads, and they will see the cost savings now as outweight the long term problems. I don't agree with them, I am saying they will do that tho. Even if we don't agree.
To copy what someone else in this thread said:
The idea that AI will some day be good at coding isn’t the issue. The issue is that some people in management think it’s already well on the way to being a good substitute, and they’re trying to do more with fewer coders to everyone’s detriment.
To be honest, you sound like you’re only just starting to learn to code.
I definitely am. But I have no doubts that ai is going to take a lot of entry-level type jobs soon, and eventually higher end jobs.
We'll always need good, smart coders. Just not as many as we have now.
but it’s not obvious to people who don’t have that skill and so we now spend a lot of time telling bosses “no, that’s not actually correct”.
I get it. But those clueless people are gonna be the people in charge of hiring, and they'll decide to hire less, and expect current staff to do more. I've seen in hundreds of time in industries, and it's already happening now in yours.
For context, I'm old. So I've seen your arguments in many different industries.
And to your point, they'll have ai replacing good people, long before ai is good enough to. But you're approaching the issue with logic. Corporate lacks a lot of logic.
I'm already seeing it in your industry. Plenty of reddit/Lemmy posts talking about how coders have been laid off, and having a much much more difficult time getting another job than at any point in their careers.
Again, I'm saying AI is a good solution. I'm saying management will think that. Just like they did when they offshored jobs to much less skilled, yet way more inexpensive workers.
To copy what someone else in this thread said:
The idea that AI will some day be good at coding isn’t the issue. The issue is that some people in management think it’s already well on the way to being a good substitute, and they’re trying to do more with fewer coders to everyone’s detriment.
To be honest, so many of the comments in this thread are just cope.
It's true that ai isn't a replacement for good coders ..YET.
But it will be. You all can be as mad as you want, publish as many articles about how much ai sucks as you want. but it won't stop anything from happening.
I say this as someone who has just started to learn to code myself.
The reason you all are mad is because you suddenly feel unsafe and unappreciated. And you're right.
Ai is still gonna happen though. It will take away a lot of your jobs (especially starting with jr coders just getting into the market). It will lower your pay. You can yell about it, or you can adapt. Sucks, but it is what it is.
Think of it this way: what do you think the market is gonna be like in 5 years? Then 10? Brah, start preparing now. Right fucking now. Cuz it ain't gonna get easier for you. I promise.
It happened with blue-collar factory works in the midwest regions of the US because of automation and offshoring. People bitched and tried to stop it. Lots of snooty white-color workers yelled, "learn to code!" But none of that saved their jobs.
And you guys won't stop it happening with your jobs either. I don't like the idea of AI taking over everything either. But it will. Adapt or die.
I've just started to learn to code. I am enjoying it. But in no way, shape, or form am I thinking it's going to lead to a job for me.
EDIT: To copy what some else said, much better than me:
The idea that AI will some day be good at coding isn’t the issue. The issue is that some people in management think it’s already well on the way to being a good substitute, and they’re trying to do more with fewer coders to everyone’s detriment.
No, I'm not. I'm advocating non-violence and pointing out how senseless this is. What the shooter did is wrong. And it would be wrong if he shot republicans as well, and i hope no one wants to retaliate with targeting other politicians now.