Keep dreaming, bud. I’m sure Leno would move to another state eventually if there’s really no way forward. But there’s no way in hell it will be to Mississippi 🤣
Had a discussion with my 8yo niece the other day… turned out the lesson was, sometimes it can be worse to know the wrong thing than to know nothing at all.
So your conception contradicts the other person in this thread’s, because they said it’s not about group dynamics and you just said it is. They literally said men mansplain to each other.
The solution to male disposability IMO should not be to increase female disposability. It should be to make male life more valuable. Use automation to make jobs safer. There should just be less need for dangerous work in the first place, we have the societal wealth to make that investment. But first we have to… care.
It’s meaningless to talk about how Title IX “works” because it varies from school to school and anyway it seems like it mostly “doesn’t work.”
You say “women also want this fixed” regarding female rapists being impossible but I have never signed on to a Feminist space and seen them discussing that issue. That’s a large part of why there is more than just feminism.
There are fewer male applicants in part because of Title IX. Obama even went as far as to say that’s the point.
I may have read Brotopia but that doesn’t mean I agreed with it. I used to work in Silicon Valley and didn’t really find the book particularly accurate. Same with SMNTY, the podcast was absolutely infuriating at times and I eventually had to stop listening to it. There are things feminism gets wrong, I don’t know what else to say about that.
Look, it’s only natural that people generally seek more power for themselves and their friends. They aren’t even thinking about or have any way of knowing the trail of destruction that causes in many cases. I’m not saying the masculism movement is right about everything either, I’d actually prefer we have both movements to balance each other out. Which is why it’s frustrating to hear people say feminism covers everything, if you believe in equality you’re a feminist, and even something as unhinged as that misandry doesn’t exist.
To say those people aren’t feminists is a way to avoid accepting that feminists can believe those terrible things. Yes, it’s destructive and yes it discredits the rest of the movement. Feminists rarely if ever disown them.
The fact that the boiling is not spontaneous is not obvious especially on account of how it’s not true. So that definition is going to need some tweaking. And anyway I think it’s much more likely that the person just didn’t notice they were replying to an astronaut than that they thought they could elevate their status. They were trying to share their (incorrect) knowledge.
Sure thing. Thanks for asking. Well, I would say main ones are:
Family court — completely asymmetrical treatment of men, basically for every 7 chances a woman gets in family court, a man gets 1. This is a made up number but it’s to get the essence across.
Male disposability is widely accepted and not compensated for at all. A good example of this is mandatory selective service which still exists today.
As a result of the accepted disposability, men have a far higher death rate both by accident and by suicide rate (which is 400% that of women)
Title IX imposes unjust punishments on men in colleges by favoring “preponderance of the evidence” standard over the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard — basically, if there’s even a slight chance of sexual misconduct, men can be thrown out of college without any kind of trial.
Asymmetrical definitions of rape which only apply to men in definition and also in practice are enforced mostly on men.
The above denial of female rapists leading to severe mental health issues for men who are raped or sexually abused by their female parters.
Generally men’s lagging acceptance rates into university (this would be more of an equity issue on par with the 83 cents to a dollar issue, as opposed to an equality issue like the others)
Demonization of fathers — the number of stories of fathers getting dirty looks for taking their kid into a changing room or even just existing in a playground with their kid are unending.
Last but not least, “male loneliness epidemic” which I think is a stupid phrase and this is one of the more unaddressable issues by everyone but it’s still a problem.
I never said the core idea of feminism isn’t egalitarianism. Just that you can be egalitarian without being a feminist, since feminism involves so many other ideas. They don’t all spring from “equality” and equality itself has many different conceptualizations. Feminism’s conceptualization of how to achieve equality is essentially limited to, “women should be given more supports” which is not a good way of thinking about it any more than an elevator’s best way of operating is “just move the person higher and higher.”
Well, I’m on my phone so apologies if my replies are shorter generally. I will attempt to answer some of these. Yes, I have engaged in a ton of discussion with hardcore feminists. I have listened to podcasts by them including Stuff Mom Never Told You and unfortunately read Brotopia. This is not my first rodeo. And you don’t need to listen to Tate or Kirk any of those extremely distasteful people to know that feminism claims to speak for men’s interests while completely ignoring them. Feminism 100% claims to be acting in the interest of both men and women, and at least for men, it completely falls short of that. You will try to correct me. That is the problem.
Any ideology that posits “
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is necessary” is self-serving and borderline cult. The ideas of the ideology are what matter, and the ideology itself is just a name. If the ideas were any good, you should just as easily be able to create a new ideology from those ideas with a different name and have it be just as valid.
Which is really funny because masculism and feminism both claim to be about equality. But only feminism is the one that is right, apparently.
A good chunk of the population has been listening to feminism for… decades. What do you mean, when will the grievances be heard? We’ve heard them. Women are oppressed, the second sex. Abortion is a right. Equal access to healthcare. 84 cents to a dollar. Alimony. Some of these are addressable, some of them have been addressed, and some of them are not addressable. It’s complicated.
Perhaps I should be asking you when will men’s grievances be heard?
Keep dreaming, bud. I’m sure Leno would move to another state eventually if there’s really no way forward. But there’s no way in hell it will be to Mississippi 🤣