Maybe Citizen Harry, so we know it's not just any Harry?

True! It's not unique to the right, but I do think it shows up there a lot. It's a very Objective view of the world (there is a Right and Wrong, outside of culture), and there's more objectivity on the right, and more subjectivity on the left. Not universally, but more.

I think the way this manifests on the left is actually pretty different, perhaps even the opposite, to the way it shows up on at least the current right.

The current right has Good People who can do no Bad, no matter how much wrong they do. So they can get away with a lot, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, and their base will support them anyway because they're still a Good Person.

Whereas on the left we're maybe a bit quick to dismiss someone outright, or lose the forest for the trees, because we think of ourselves as the side of Morality. So there can be a person who does a lot of good, and seems like a Good Person, and then one thing can come out about them, maybe not even a substantiated thing. Maybe something they did 25 years ago, that they would never do today, and in an instant everyone has flipped on them. You see, people are either Good People or Bad People, and if you've done a Bad thing, you must not have been a Good Person afterall! You were a Bad Person in disguise! Thank goodness we caught you and ousted you, so we can continue to be the side of only Good People.

Shouldn't we be the side of spectrums? Of forgiveness? Of growth, and healing, and learning, and rehabilitation? Grace and second chances?

I mean, don't get fooled over and over by the same grifter, but there could at least be some room to say oops, sorry, and then do better going forwards.

Right exactly! Like the sibling comment says, in their minds Trans people are Bad. You can tell because "they're sick". (I don't believe this, I'm mimicking this mindset). Minorities are Bad. You can tell because they don't have money, they do different stuff than I do, which is Good stuff, and they do crimes and are bad parents or whatever. Doesn't matter what.

So anyway, this Knight of Justice, Paragon of Good, was out there saying the Good People are being passed over in favour of the Bad People, which is obviously unacceptable. And that the problems with society aren't caused by Good People, they're caused by Bad People. And then right in the middle of his speech, a Bad Person shoots and kills him! How do we know they were a Bad Person without knowing who they are? It's self-evident because no Good Person would kill another Good Person.

This is like if Superman died, and then the credits rolled! That's not the way this is meant to go! This is an afront to nature! This is a tragedy. To them.

Absolutely true. But it's relatively easy, I assume, given that webm is just a subset of mkv anyway, and why not!

It's actually, sadly, quite easy. In her mind there are no shades of grey, no systems, no circumstances. There are people who are Good People and people who are Bad People, and which people are which is self-evident and not as related to their actions as you might think. It's just a case of identity. They're Good when they do bad things, and Bad People are bad even when occasionally doing good.

And so celebrating the death of a Bad Person is honorable, obviously, and celebrating the death of a Good Person is sickening and deplorable. Clearly.

And if I agreed that this was the way the world was, I'd probably agree with her. Unfortunately for me, that seems fucking nuts.

It's highly popular in the anime scene for its ability to contain original audio and dubs and a few subtitle tracks, including custom fonts for some of the subtitle formats that are feeling particularly special.

I know this is just a me thing... but I think there's a lotta "me"s on here. I wish they'd used "JESUS CHRIST, GAZE INTO YOUR ORB" or something instead. The idea of "turning on" an orb just really rubs me in a bad way.

The fediverse has been around for a while, and fediverse people are more likely to want browser extensions than most demographics, so honestly that may already exist!

Yeah, the redirect is easy. The hard part is that I'm just some unauthenticated user on whatever.net or something and I clicked the 👍 button. That could pop up a box that's like "hey, what server is your server?" and then I type it in. That could be done, but it's kinda crap, and we don't have anything better 😅

Maybe I should create a new post for this but has there ever been discussions regarding SSO? So you have one identity across all fediverse services?

This comes up from time to time, but usually not for what you want. Pixelfed and PeerTube and Lemmy and Mastodon are actually pretty different experiences. They don't really do the same thing, they don't appear to have the same verbs and nouns. So using one to talk to the other is actually a little weird, not because we're trying to make walled gardens, but just because the focus of Lemmy is on the threaded topic, and the focus of PeerTube is comments on videos in my playlist.

The fact that they can cross-talk at all is kind of an accident. Each system wants to federate with itself, and so they have a protocol to do it. And because it's an open protocol, anyone can use it. And it is intentional that any compatible software should be able to use it, so Mastodon and other microblogs can cross-talk, that's on purpose. But with these different "kinds" of services, they all picked the same protocol because it already existed, it already worked, and it met their needs. I don't think the people making Lemmy really intended PeerTube users to use it, even though it's sometimes possible in particular ways. They're compatible because they both used parts of the same protocol, and so when you put them together they happen to have overlap, but that's almost a coincidence.

The reason SSO sometimes comes up is actually to solve a UX problem that's plagued the fediverse since the beginning. If I'm a user of lemmy.ca, and I'm looking at lemmy.ml because I got there from a link it Google out something, and want to comment on what I see there, I can't. Not directly. I can't click the join button or follow a user or any of it, because this site is not my site. I have to first go to my site, where I have an account, and then find this content on my site, and then interact with it there. That sucks and has always sucked. So one of the proposals people have pitched to fix it is if I could login to lemmy.ml directly with my lemmy.ca account, then I could drive it remotely, in context, while maintaining my actual account somewhere else.

The downside of this is that a whole bunch of random sites have tokens for me, every instance has way more "users" than users, and if any one of them has a security incident then it doesn't just affect the users of that instance, because that instance also has keys for a bunch of other random instances. And overall the way I'd login on the remote site is to type my home site's address, to kick off the SSO login, but if I'm doing that anyway I could also type that in and just have it redirect me there natively. So not great.

If we're talking about using SSO just to only have one credential, this is actually better handled with normal, existing, SSO. Like OpenID or whatever. If Lemmy and Mastodon and PeerTube and PixelFed all allowed creating an account with an existing SSO solution, of which there are several, then you can already create an account on each of them using the same identity provider and not make any new accounts. This is likely cleaner than requiring each of them to be, themselves, an identity provider just so they can all login to each other so you can start with any one of them natively, but from there only have one identity for all the rest. That would add a bunch of extra requirements to being a valid implementation, and maybe lead to some bad or insecure identity providers, and not give that much benefit in return.

But I love SSO as a concept, so we should definitely support the much simpler thing, which is that all FOSS websites support SSO standards, not for fediverse reasons, but just because it's nice in general. For me 😛

And so I'd say this also answers your broader questions. Since Activity Pub doesn't allow me to join other servers, it also doesn't allow me to join other sites.

So a Lemmy post may be compatible with a Mastodon message sent to a group or something, that's only because the messages Activity Pub sends are similar. But PeerTube is different software with different buttons, and the existence of those buttons on PeerTube doesn't change anything about what buttons Lemmy has, and I can't "login" to a PeerTube server with my Lemmy account, so I don't gain any special abilities outside of what Lemmy can do.

The only way it would be possible is if Lemmy added a feature for uploading videos that sent the same kinds of messages to other servers that PeerTube sends. Then, if they did that, someone on a PeerTube instance could see these messages coming from Lemmy and interpret them on their server as a PeerTube video or something.

But all that Activity Pub allows is exchanging of information between sites. For them to interoperate in a way that makes sense, they need to exchange the same kind of information.

Quick clarification, because I can't tell from your words if you're confused about the concept of federation or not 😅

If by "join" other servers you mean use their site as if logged in, or like you have an account there, then that is not federation. That's single-sign-on (SSO) and is not a feature of the fediverse (Mastodon, Lemmy, Peertube, etc). That would be like the "login with Facebook" or Google buttons around, where by having this account on site A, you can instantly signup on site B without making a new password or anything. That's not how federation works.

Federation is like email. I can have an email with GMail, you can have one with Proton, and someone else can have Yahoo, and I can send an email to you anyway. It doesn't mean I can "join" Proton with my GMail account, it doesn't mean I have a Yahoo account, it means I don't need a Yahoo account to communicate with Yahoo users.

But, if by "join" you meant "join a community" as in subscribe to updates from a group on another server, then most other people's answers apply. I wouldn't call that "joining a server", though, because servers host many communities and you're not joining all of them.

Joining a community works like joining a mailing list. Activity Pub allows accounts on different servers to communicate without an account on their own server, so my account would send a message to your account saying "I'd like to subscribe to this community, send me a message whenever something happens on it", and then the other server says "okay, will do", and then after that will periodically send my server messages saying "hey, here's that update you asked for". And when I comment, like right now, it's like an email being sent from my server to yours, and then your server puts it into the history.

This allows my server to present the community from your server to me, without me having account on your server. Without me having to "join" your server, I'd say.

A related thing to Aspect 3: Project to Product I forgot to cover was the "selling out" aspect. Ignoring the original creator of a project, the other Tinkerers and Enthusiasts who join a project early are the sorts of people attracted to the idea of the project, and also the value of its freedom. That's why they joined a scrappy little community in the first place, and supported its organic and natural growth.

But when money starts coming into it, that same sort of person is often going to feel a little betrayed by it. I was just doing this for altruistic reasons, and it seemed like you were too, but now this is a financial project? Now you're charging money? I'm not getting any of that money for the work I did to get us here. It doesn't feel like "we" are all equals here. It's not a community once one of us is making money and the rest of us aren't.

Wasn't the point of this to give it away? For free, to anyone and everyone? When did that stop being our goal?

Etc.

Feelings can be hurt, incentives can change, and that's difficult for a project socially.

These are only my opinions:

I think the issue is "phase changes" are always going to be tricky in any community, and the path an open source project takes always includes one or more phase changes.

Aspect 1: Tinkerer vs User.

By their nature, most FOSS projects start with a person who wants to solve a problem for themselves, rather than as a business idea. This attracts the sort of person who is maybe only vaguely worried about solving that problem, but is very interested in the solution itself. Or maybe the tool does 90% of what it needs to for this new use-case, so a tinkerer is happy to go in and add the extra 10% themselves to get it to work.

But at some point along the line a project becomes popular or useful enough that Users show up. And Users want something fundamentally different than Tinkerers. They don't want to work on the project, they want to use the project as-is to do some other work. It's just a tool that allows them to accomplish what they're really trying to do. And the Tinkerer mindset that got the project to here is fundamentally incompatible with the User mindset that allows it to grow outside a small group.

It's important to note that almost everyone who is a Tinkerer in something, is also a User of other things. Maybe I'm working on this project, but my editor is just a thing I use. I need that to work without me thinking about it, so I can get the other work done for the project I do care about. And if I'm tinkering with my editor then I need my kernel to just work. Or my hardware. Or my internet. Or my electrical grid. These were all things that somebody once tinkered with, that now I'm just using, but that transition is fraught.

So if I'm Tinkering with a Linux phone, I'm more tolerant of issues, I'm invested in the project improving, and it's fun to overcome limitations. This is essential for the project to start and progress, but there will only be so many people interested in that. Everyone else is a User who just wants to read their emails at the grocery store, and is pissed when that doesn't work.

Aspect 2: Hobby to Job.

At some point most FOSS projects are an intrinsically interesting hobby, but the idea of financial support makes them an extrinsically motivated job. Studies have shown in a lot of cases being paid to do something actually makes it less enjoyable or interesting, even when it's the same actions in both cases. So there's that paradox, my job takes time away from this hobby, but making this hobby my full-time job makes me want to do it less.

But even more importantly at a project level there's a phase change around funding. Most of these projects when they're just a few people in their spare time, have no need for money. What does $7 a week really get me. Sure it's "support" and "thanks", but it doesn't do anything to shift how this project fits into my life. Then that grows to $100 a week. That's money, for sure. But it's not "quit my job" money. So I get this money, it helps with groceries, but still doesn't produce more time to work on the project. At, like, $1000 a week, now I can maybe quit my job if I live in certain parts of the world. Everything up until now is kinda "nothing" and then it's only when we get here that suddenly "something" changes. Phase change. But I still can't hire a second person. And until I can, any extra money is more income for me, but doesn't really help the project either. I'm already full-time on it, and $1500 a week doesn't buy me more time.

So because of that phase change, when the project is small it feels like there's no reason to go through the work of setting up donations or subscriptions or whatever, because it's a hassle that's just going to get me, like $7. At first.

Aspect 3: Project to Product.

Like the Tinkerer to User spectrum, but for the community as a whole. When we're all working in our spare time for free, giving the result away for free is easy. And it feels good, because we're a community. But at some point in the future of this project, one can imagine a point where there's a company that sells this product for money or makes money off it in some other way.

But when? We're here, that potential future is there, and like with Hobby to Job, there isn't really a smooth line between the two. It doesn't feel like a Product now, I'd be embarrassed selling this and I don't even know who'd want to buy it. But if it's ever going to be a Product, someone's going to have to buy it. Someone's going to be the first to buy it, even. Who? When? How? These are answers that will have seemed obvious in retrospect, but are perhaps impossible to tell in the moment.

And what's worse is that the skills it takes to sell things to a company are different than the skills it takes to Tinker. In some ways even opposite skills, given that the Tinkerer just wants other people to be interested in what they're interested in, and wants to give it away for free. They want to spread it without restriction, that's why they started working in a FOSS thing in the first place! At which point does that person decide to charge someone money instead.

And what's even worse than a User is a Customer. Where a User might just want something to work, a Customer feels entitled to the thing working. What else did they pay for, if not a working thing. But $70 is a lot of money for a Customer to spend, and not a lot of money for a Tinkerer to use. So the amount of entitlement the Customer feels outpaces the amount of value the Tinkerer recieved in trying to bend their project to the Customer's demands.

And as the company gets bigger to support more and more customers, you start needing lawyers and HR and payroll and support people and graphic designers etc etc etc.

This is partly why so many tech projects are picked up by already established companies and deployed as part of their product. Because they already have all that crap the Tinkerer doesn't like thinking about, and the code is freely available for the taking.

Okay hang on. Yes, Ice Ice Baby and Under Pressure don't have a lot of notes in common, in terms of absolute note count, but when the songs come on, the layperson doesn't know which is which. Any normal person would listen to 10 seconds of Ice Ice Baby and go "oh yeah, that's Under Pressure by Queen".

So yeah, if there's a prompt that people can use to trick an AI into spitting out a chapter verbatim that's interesting, but I would say minor infringment. No one is going to read a Ton Clancy novel by systematically tricking the AI to spit out each entire chapter one after the other, and it's presented to essentially an audience of one, the promoter.

But if I was to take that chapter, the one it spit out verbatim, and put it as a chapter of my book that I published, then yeah, definitely I could be sued for copyright, even if I didn't do it willingly. Because people would read it and go "oh totally, that's Pelican Brief"

My favorite part of Stranger Things was when Matthew Modine had to sit down with Eleven and explain to her why he'd be carrying a watch up his ass for 7 years.

I'm not an AI fanboy, but this is kinda a lame take. If the AI produced the same song it heard it would be a cover, sure, and subject to copyright, yes. But most of the time the AIs produce something that is similar to but different from its input.

So yeah, if you listened to a bunch of AC/DC and then wrote a song that sounded like it could be an AC/DC song but isn't an AC/DC song, that wouldn't be copyright infringement.

No, but you can learn it

Oh, then just go with "Joanne" then! Easy win!

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Prince Harry makes surprise visit to Ukraine pledging support for thousands injured in war

How the tables have turned!

How the tables have turned!

Firefox Finally Introducing Matroska / MKV Playback Support

How the tables have turned!

Firefox Finally Introducing Matroska / MKV Playback Support

A national tragedy

Activity Pub: Can I join a PeerTube or Mastodon server using a Lemmy account?

Activity Pub: Can I join a PeerTube or Mastodon server using a Lemmy account?

Activity Pub: Can I join a PeerTube or Mastodon server using a Lemmy account?

Activity Pub: Can I join a PeerTube or Mastodon server using a Lemmy account?

Activity Pub: Can I join a PeerTube or Mastodon server using a Lemmy account?

Why are people surprised that opensource products have trouble competing with big tech?

Why are people surprised that opensource products have trouble competing with big tech?

Aspect 1: Tinkerer vs User.

Aspect 2: Hobby to Job.

Aspect 3: Project to Product.

Train your brain

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Train your brain

Train your brain

What's your experience with Nim?

How did you settle on a name?