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  • Something everyone agrees with until you name it

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  • I dunno, why bring up the Nazis as though they had popular ideas?

    i didn't and i've already clarified that?

    i'm not sure what more there is to say on this

    What parts of Marxism do you want to chop off?

    if you're referring to everything then that would include stuff like das kapital which i don't think you can reasonably refer to as "easy to understand"

    "philosophical grounding in Dialectical and Historical Materialism" also seems like it would be a fairly hard thing for the average person to understand

    also, marx didn't invent communism, so to say communism is contained within marxism is incorrect

    the opening of the communist manifesto literally references the fact that european powers were already trying to "exorcise" the idea from the continent at the time

    Yes, people generally don't agree with the ideas posed by Nazism.

    nazism proposed pre-natal scanning and graduate family planning stimulus? that's news to me

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  • i wouldn't say you're working particularly hard given that all you've done is issue a blanket "no", and cowbee seems to be coming at the problem from the angle that i'm secretly the ghost of joseph mccarthy

    i've given you two examples where i think most people would agree with the concepts of eugenics before being told it's eugenics, and so far nobody's disagreed with them? what's your issue? that you don't think most people would agree with them, or that you don't think that that fact draws enough of a parallel between eugenics and the post?

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  • logic seems pretty clear and laid out to me but you do you, pal

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  • No, it was brought up to draw equivalence to Marxism, don't play coy.

    cool ur jets buddy

    it wasn't, and doesn't even really make sense when read through that lens

    what kind of person comes into a thread and posts a pro-communism video clip and then angrily equates marxism to nazism?

    No, Marxism is popular, it's just sold as different names.

    that's describing the same sentiment i just expressed using different words

    Is there some other kind we need to worry about here that's hard to understand?

    honestly the term "marxism" is nebulous enough that just deciding on what counts as "in-scope" is kind of non-trivial

    are we talking about the economic theory? marxist communism? the whole body of marx's work?

    what definition are you using?

    No, you pretended the average person would.

    i'm fairly confused what you're trying to say here

    are you saying that that, for those two concepts, you don't think you could pitch the basic ideas behind them in a way such that the average person would agree?

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  • Good thing Nazism isn't sound, nor does it sound good, even without the label.

    it was brought up to explain why "it's just saying it has negative connotations" doesn't make something neutral

    Marxism is popular and easily understood, yet red scare propaganda and anticommunism has given it a negative connotation

    you're kind of just imagining a different post at this point?

    "it does, actually"? you're going to have to clarify what you mean by "this post makes a justification as to why the concepts behind marxism are sound and good", unless you mean that "people thinking the ideas sound good" is your justification, which you just argued a second ago wasn't what the post was doing, and which is exactly what i'm saying is a junk justification

    "Marxism is popular" this post very specifically makes the point that marxism isn't popular, but its ideas are. that's like the whole point of the post

    also, "easily understood" what? we haven't even defined what sort of marxism we're talking about here

    it says nothing about the reasons for negative connotations; you're adding that yourself

    Eugenics [is] not popular

    again, i've given two examples where the average person would probably support eugenics-in-description-only

  • When you write your academic papers in Word

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  • i learned it

    i am built different

  • electrical engineer rule

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  • is that how the alu performs multiplication? with a binary adder?

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  • "people have a negative connotation to the word Marxism" absolutely has baked-in implications, and an argument left unsaid, even in total isolation

    if i say to you "people think the word nazi has negative connotations", then even with no other context then obviously you'd conclude that i'm a nazi freak

    the post doesn't make any justification for the ideas being sound and good, it says they sound good

    i don't think this post's subtext is as simple as the interpretation you're providing

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  • i've given two examples where i think the average person would come down on the side of "let's do some eugenics" until being told "haha you just agreed to do some eugenics"

    the problem with the post is that if you boil it down, it becomes "things that sound good on the surface are automatically good", which doesn't hold

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  • if you want to use the sentiment expressed in this post as an argument for marxism being good, which seems pretty transparent in this case, then that same sentiment being used to justify eugenics isn't a good thing for said argument

    i'm not that concerned with the precise definition of "opposite", but i am concerned with whether or not the post's logic is sound

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  • but that's literally what the comment's saying? and you're saying "that's an example of the opposite?

    e.g., there's a pretty good argument that pre-natal screening is a form of eugenics

    if you describe the mechanics of pre-natal screening to somebody, i suspect most would be in support of that, but wouldn't be if you described it using the term "eugenics"

    like, if you were to notice that completing tertiary education makes it more difficult for people to have children, and you decided to create some form of government aid to offset that, then oopsie daisy you just did a eugenics, but you could absolutely package that idea in a way that most people would instinctively go "yeah that sounds okay"

    also to preempt pls nobody do the intellectually dishonest thing of pretending me following this line of argument means im in love with eugenics and am here to argue for more eugenics or that i just dont think eugenics is such a bad thing after all thnk u

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  • i'm baffled as to what's going on here

    • if you describe the mechanics of eugenics, people like the idea
    • if you label the mechanics of eugenics as eugenics, people do not like the idea

    versus

    • if you describe the mechanics of marxism, people like the idea
    • if you label the mechanics of marxism as marxism, people do not like the idea

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  • but that's not what the comment said?

    Lots of people promote eugenics

    people sometimes end up accidentally talking themselves into eugenics and promoting eugenics before somebody points out that they're talking about eugenics

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  • how is that an opposite?

    an opposite would be something everybody thinks is a bad idea until you name it

    unless you're saying people disagree with the concepts and goals of eugenics until you say "but that's just eugenics" at which point they're fully on board?

  • When you write your academic papers in Word

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  • skill issue

    word is fine if you know how to use it

    none of its direct competitors have the same feature set, and a word processor that can give me compile time errors is not one i'm going to use with much enthusiasm

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  • Chipotle customers were right — some restaurants were skimping, CEO says

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