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  • But when they did hold power, they spent that time giving handouts to their rich friends, and screwing over the working class.

    Yes, this instance is totally Trump's fault, but they aren't wrong in saying that the Democrats have been pretty openly not trying to solve people's problems.

  • Nobody wants just 5% less fascism.

    Aparently the Democratic leadership does, since that's what they keep doing.

    But your options are full fascism or 5% less.

    That is not true, but the Democrats have convinced a lot of people that it is true. We have a ton of options.

    If you want no fascism you gotta for for less fascism first, to signal to the political parties what you want. When they see that less fascism gives them votes, they will shift towards less fascism until there is none.

    You mean the same party that have spent the past few decades ignoring their voters? The same party that helped build out the tools that the facists are using, even when their voters didn't want those systems?

    A vote for Democrats tells them that, even when they support things like facism, genocide, and taking away human rights, you are gonna stick with them. I'm not going to, because I am against those things.

  • But Democrats aren't winning. They are moving to the right and losing. In the rare circumstances where they do win, they generally end up supporting right-wing policies anyway. It's almost like there's a correlation between those.....

  • I think you are glossing over a big part of the picture: Where the Democratic leadership gaslights their voters, and pushes against popular, leftist candidates, and popular, leftist policies.

    Yes, the Democratic party has a huge problem: They actively fight against the politicians and policies that their voters want.

  • I don't want 5% less facism, I want a party that fights against facism, instead of supporting it. The Democrats spent their time building out the tools for fascism, then put on their shocked-picachu face when the facists use those tools.

  • Sorry no :(

    It's an "IRL" friend only thing, and I don't want to associate this account with my real name (My IRC instance has my name tied to it)

    But I'd be happy to help you get connected to one of the public servers if you need! :)

  • I'm sure this time the Democrats won't betray us!

  • My problem isn't how fast we're losing, it's that the supposed "opposition" is pretty openly not fighting.

  • Both:

    • bomb kids
    • fight against the working class
    • fight against healthcare for all
    • give tax money to their rich friends
    • fight against human rights
    • support genocide
    • support large corporations
    • support destroying the planet
    • support suveillance systems
    • support war
    • fight aganst making the rich pay their fair share of taxes
    • support rapists for president
    • support authoritarianism
    • openly fight against what their voters want
    • support mass deportations without due process
    • support the killing of american citizens
    • support torture programs

    But yeah, go ahead and tell me how much better the Democrats are.

  • And consider this, every time we lose, it's going to get worse and worse and keep shifting the Overton Window to the right.

    Are we supposed to pretend that strategy and tactics aren't applicable to politics? Winning the broader war wins many smaller battles by default.

    I'm looking at the current Democratic strategy of moving to the right, and continuing to lose.

    You are correct that strategy and tactics are applicable. Maybe if the Democrats want to win, they should avoid their losing strategy.

  • Their strategy is currently losing the war, as well as social issues

  • Those two points look like the Democratic strategy, not the left's strategy

  • Because when the other side is explicitly promising a theocratic fascist dictatorship, you have to pick the lesser evil to even have a chance of things getting better without large scale violence.

    What happens then, when the "lesser evil" gets in power, and rolls back 5% of what the facists did, bomb a bunch of innocient people, give mountains of money to their rich friends, and continue to attack "undesirables"?

    It's not that we're simping for the Democrat leadership...

    Yes you are

    ...it's that we're smart enough to realize it's currently a binary system and the other option is exponentially worse.

    But that's not true. The other option is only slightly worse, and Democrats keep spending their time trying to get as close to that line as possible.

    If they want our votes, they should try doing what we want, like supporting basic human rights, instead of supporting the fascists.

  • Are you talking about the party that isn't able to win, and also doesn't support universal human rights?

    Maybe they would have more luck with the former, if they tried the latter.

  • He did

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  • Our home is hardwood, except for the stairs. Of course they keep yaking down the stairs, why wouldn't they?

  • Not only Democratic politicians, I see it here in the Fediverse all the time. People seem to think that the Democrats winning is more important than human rights.

    I just don't understood that kind of dogmatic thinking.

  • Who has been constantly side-lined by the Democratic party