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  • AI companies are training models on photos and texts posted only for your friends to see in their networks, and worse, also on e-mails, personal images people are backing up, etc. That's private information. It shouldn't be used for training models.

    With public information that everyone can see it's from my point of view a gray area. If a magazine takes a public photo and uses it to sell copies, they're stealing from the artist. But if they take that same photo and use it to train and sell an AI model, it's a difficult situation to assess. I think our best approach so far is to respect the author's wishes if they explicitly want to opt out. And yes of course I believe in intellectual property and copyright, if that was your question. They're there for a reason, and they not only benefit big corporations but also small and independent artists and content creators.

  • Not sure why you think that but I don't, I have strong feelings on personal privacy.

    I believe you're constantly trying to steer the conversation into "you and everyone who opposes unethical AI model training only want data owners to get paid", but it's not how it is. I want to prevent AI corporations from stealing. It's a big difference.

  • Which convictions on property?

  • Inequality is fine as long as it isn't extreme. You can have limits on inequality by implementing rules. In my opinion it's about finding a balance where neither the richest nor the poorest person strays too far from the median, otherwise you start having trouble and move slowly towards an oligarchy that'll end in violence and suffering eventually.

  • I'm on Lemmy everyday and haven't come across any thread where vast numbers of people are cheering for big companies in any capacity. Of course you'll probably have some who just want to stick it in the arse to AI companies and don't think two steps further, but I don't believe that's anywhere close to a significant number of people.

  • I hope you don't believe people who are opposed to AI companies stealing data are also simultaneously rooting for big corporations such as the ones you mentioned. That would be a very misguided idea unfortunately.

  • You put those words in my mouth, I never said I believe that. I've been saying that each person owns their data and have the right to decide what it can be used for.

    It's a separate discussion but: that rich people own most of the assets has a lot to do with the fact they steal and use stolen resources to appropriate more resources. It's parasitic and needs to stop.

  • I'm sure you'll be the first one to provide public access to your private photos and texts so everyone can check how to improve their lives with those valuable resources.

    Amazing how propaganda by the rich is so successful in making people believe it's not them who are the parasites.

  • A society that works for everybody is a fair society. Stealing intellectual property and user confidential data is not fair.

  • Assuming you're right, it's still not rent-seeking. If I believe that AI companies should be made liable for breaking copyright, I'm not personally receiving any monetary benefit. Where's my rent?

    It's about principle. It's unfair that a company can steal data and profit from it. Simple as that.

  • Precisely, and rent-seeking is what's not happening here, as nobody is looking to profit. People are only looking to keep their private information private.

  • Your problem is that the landlord analogy just doesn't suit this situation.

  • I'm not sure you have understood that people don't want to profit from their data, they want to avoid corporations stealing their private texts and pictures to train models they'll profit from.

  • In your eyes, what are these AI haters complaining about?

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  • Yep, a component is a good abstraction level, no point in making life difficult by creating and coming up with names for smaller parts.

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  • Any passable editor nowadays does the heavy lifting for you, you can usually even write the CSS tag you want and it'll show you the options.

  • You can have a person be full-time managing the billionaire's case, still a very strong net win.

    And even if hypothetically the cost of tracking their wealth outpaced the income generated by the tax, it's still a societal positive by reducing inequality, which is the root of most problems.

  • This is a good question: is it okay for you as a person to control a company that has grown that large? Maybe nudging people to give up control of entities that large is a good side effect.

  • We don't need meat to survive but eating meat (in moderation) makes it much easier to ensure you get all nutrients you need. Especially when you have children, it's very dangerous to attempt a vegan diet. Also, killing animals is part of nature and happens all the time. What's not natural, and what's unethical, is making their lives miserable before that happens.

    And speaking of ethics, you just said two comments above that we should spread this disease worldwide, and were fine with people dying from it just for following the diet they've had all their lives. Not very consistent in my view.