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  • Conspiracies

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  • Oh, the lab leak/zoonosis debate is a good thought, but I don't think it counts as a conspiracy - if I search for news articles from before 2022 mentioning it, I immediately find, say, this BBC article from 2020 that treats lab leak seriously, so it was a mainstream-ish idea quite early on. This seems to match with my own memories, I've seen lab leak being discussed in 2022 and I think even earlier.

    In general, though, there's probably some good COVID-related example, even if I can't think of one immediately (I think it's pretty disingenuous how media demonized every prospective COVID drug, especially ivermectin - but they did turn out to be ineffective against the virus itself, and I don't think there were any conspiracies about the drugs that ended up actually working, like Paxlovid).

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  • Thanks, that's a nice askreddit thread. A lot of these have the same problem though, which is that I have trouble believing (and have no idea how to find evidence, since they were well pre-internet) that these were conspiracy theories before they were revealed.

    (I note now that I didn't actually mention, in my comment, that by "was a conspiracy theory" I don't just mean "sounds crazy" but rather "sounded crazy and there were actually people saying it". I'm not interested in every insane thing secret agencies did*, I'm interested in stuff people successfully predicted.)

    *well, I am, but it's not what the question is about

  • Conspiracies

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  • I'm not sure what you mean. Arresting random intelligentsia is not a "well reasoned response" to foreign interference. And it's also unrelated to the topic - I'm asking about conspiracy theories that were later validated, and "foreign governments are trying to sabotage us", in Stalinist USSR, wasn't a conspiracy theory - if anything it was the party line.

  • Conspiracies

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  • Sure, the fact the US government spies on every single citizen without warrant or cause.

    Ah, that's true, I totally forgot about Snowden. Technically I don't think I've heard of there being a conspiracy about it before 2013, but it's a good example.

    Stalin wasn’t crazy nor did he overreact with his actions against ‘enemies if the state’

    Very questionable phrasing (I have some Soviet ancestors who spent years felling forests for the crime of being too educated and teaching things that didn't quite align with the party line; that's not an 'overreaction' to anything, but just tyranny), but anyway, this doesn't count - it was definitely not considered a conspiracy theory in the Soviet Union to think that foreign states were doing espionage there.

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  • Are there any examples of something that was a conspiracy theory being validated by confidential documents later? I can't think of any, even though secret agencies sure did do a lot of crazy stuff.

  • Day 1 Reddit Refugee

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  • the Winnie the Pooh comments are racist though

    That's a strange assumption to make. "Because it's forbidden in China" is a sufficient explanation of why people do this. For the exact same reason people will forever keep bringing up the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

  • Choosing pink is chaotic evil?

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  • It's only Chaotic if you use it carelessly, OP, rather than to build your Lawful Evil Empire of Poop.

  • Choosing pink is chaotic evil?

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  • Teledoctor*, unless you're planning to only use it on people if they convert to your religion.

  • Android 15 sideloading restrictions are a raw deal for users

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  • One can justify it however they like but it's going to end up making the experience worse for competent users anyway. Much like this Android 12 security change that made it permanently more annoying to manipulate files.

  • bird flu

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  • Huh, that's a fun thought. If the bird flu turns into a pandemic (there's a prediction market that gives 16% for it, which is pants-shittingly terrifyingly high), we'll get to see how the Trump administration deals with one. And that... can go various ways.

    On one hand, there's tons of anti-vaxxers in the Trump voting base and presumably this will affect the government, which is concerning. But on the other hand, one of the biggest problems in the COVID handling was when FDA stopped people from using already-created vaccines for idiotic bureaucracy considerations while people were literally dying by the million. That's the sort of thing that could go a lot better with just one presidential decision speeding it up, and there's a bunch of new people with power in the government now, like Elon Musk. Muskrat is a horrible person and kind of insane in some ways, but not stupid and I think he'd notice and act upon an opportunity like that. So I'm not totally pessimistic about how a new pandemic would go, either.

  • Taliban ban windows to stop women being seen inside homes

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  • "The crusades are an example of capitalist oppression" sure is a hot take.

  • I suppose that doesn't hurt anything...

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  • If you can't even fly around as an owl and eat voles in your free time, what is even the point?

  • Since Pi is infinite and non-repeating, would that mean any finite sequence of non-repeating numbers should appear somewhere in Pi?

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  • I can’t tell if this is a joke or real code

    Yes.

    Will that repo seriously run until it finds where that is in pi?

    Sure. It'll take a very long while though. We can estimate roughly how long - encoded as ASCII and translated to hex your sentence looks like 54686520636174206973206261636b. That's 30 hexadecimal digits. So very roughly, one of each 16^30 30-digit sequences will match this one. So on average, you'd need to look about 16^30 * 30 ≈ 4e37 digits into π to find a sequence matching this one. For comparison, something on the order of 1e15 digits of pi were ever calculated.

    so you can look it up quickly?

    Not very quickly, it's still n log n time. More importantly, information theory is ruthless: there exist no compression algorithms that have on average a >1 compression coefficient for arbitrary data. So if you tried to use π as compression, the offsets you get would on average be larger than the data you are compressing. For example, your data here can be written written as 30 hexadecimal digits, but the offset into pi would be on the order of 4e37, which takes ~90 hexadecimal digits to write down.

  • Since Pi is infinite and non-repeating, would that mean any finite sequence of non-repeating numbers should appear somewhere in Pi?

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  • You generate it when needed, using one of the known sequences that converges to π. As a simple example, the pi() recipe here shows how to compute π to arbitrary precision. For an application like pifs you can do even better and use the BBP formula which lets you directly calculate a specific hexadecimal digit of π.

  • Not enough people buying Premium, eh?

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  • Invidious alone has been working quite badly this year (stopped working for months until inv-sig-helper was invented, etc), but combined with FreeTube it almost always works; can recommend.

  • YSK There’s someone running around Lemmy posting misinformation against Wikipedia

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  • The idea that because they pay people salaries, including a few hundred K per year for the people at the top, they’re drowning in money and there’s no point in donating as long as they can pay their hosting bills and nothing else, is wrong.

    I in fact don't think that - to get the sort of people you want to be running your company, a good salary is necessary. I suspect a lot of the people that wikimedia employs are unnecessary because this is way too much money to be spending on salaries overall, but I have no way of checking it since they don't provide a breakdown of the salaries involved. I do think, however, that a company that's not drowning in money wouldn't be giving a bunch of generic research grants.

    Furthermore I suspect that at least some of the bunch of people who suddenly started coming out of the woodwork to say a few variations on that exact same thing are part of some kind of deliberate misinformation, just because it’s kind of a weird conclusion for a whole bunch of people to all start talking about all at once.

    That's valid, though I note that in the worlds where I am a normal person and not an anti-wikipedia shill, the reason why I'm saying these things now and not at other times is because I saw this post, and you wrote this post because you saw other people talk about some India-related Wikipedia conspiracy theory, and one reason why you'd see these people crawl out of woodwork now is because wikipedia ramps up their donation campaign this time of year, prompting discussion about wikipedia.

    The main issue I take with your opening post is its vagueness. You don't mention any details in it, so it effectively acts as a cue for people to discuss anything at all controversial about wikipedia. And the way you frame the discussion is that such narratives "are fundamentally false" because Wikipedia "is a force for truth in the world that’s less corruptible than a lot of the others" - that's assuming the conclusion. It's no surprise that this results in your seeing a lot of claims about Wikipedia that you think are misinformation!

    P.S. Rethinking my previous comment a bit, it's probably good overall that reading my comment made you donate to charity out of spite - even a mediocre charity like Wikimedia most likely has a net positive effect on the world. So I guess I should be happy about it. Consider also donating to one of these for better bang on your buck.

  • YSK There’s someone running around Lemmy posting misinformation against Wikipedia

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  • Thanks for the link! Yeah, $3M for hosting out of their massive budget is what I was talking about - Wikipedia could lose 90% of their cashflow and not be in any danger of going offline. I don't see how to estimate how much of that "salaries" part is related to Wikipedia rather to their other business. But even taking the most optimistic possible reading, I think it's still true that the marginal value of donations to Wikimedia foundations will not be in support of Wikipedia's existence or even in improvements to it, but in them doing more unrelated charity.

    (If you want to donate specifically to charities that spread knowledge, then donating to Wikipedia makes more sense, though then in my opinion you should consider supporting the Internet Archive, which has ~8 times less revenue, and just this year was sued for copyright infringement this year and spent a while being DDOSed into nonfunctionality - that's a lot of actually good reasons to need more money!).

  • YSK There’s someone running around Lemmy posting misinformation against Wikipedia

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  • I wondered when writing my comment whether people would combine this with the vague statement in the opening post and conclude "aha, I will now take this as misinformation without checking", but then I looked at your other comments and saw you were actually talking about some India-related conspiracy I heard nothing about. Yet apparently you nevertheless think my comment is intentional misinfo?? That isn't very coherent, is it now?

  • YSK There’s someone running around Lemmy posting misinformation against Wikipedia

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  • Last time I heard about wikipedia's donation campaign (maybe 2 4 years ago or so), it was notorious for advertising in such a way as to imply your funds would be used to keep wikipedia alive, whereas the reality was that only a small part of Wikimedia Foundation's income was needed for Wikipedia, and the rest was spent on rather questionable things like funding very weird research with little oversight. Did this change? If it didn't, I wouldn't particularly advise anyone to donate to them.