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lemonmelon

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  • The moderator was happy enough to quote the first clause of the first sentence, but totally ignored the entire rest of the paragraph explaining the expectations; “Trek-adjacent discussions, other scifi, navigating the fediverse, server meta (within reason)…,” presumably because it doesn’t fit with his reasoning.

    And you're happy enough to leave off "it's all fair game" presumably because it doesn't fit with your reasoning.

    Is a ban justified? Probably not, it certainly feels like an overreach. Are you as blameless and beyond reproach as you would have everyone believe? Also probably not.

    I do not believe that the whole of the story is being presented.

    Edit: Scrolling through the recent posts on that particular community, it appears to have been a complete hodgepodge of topics for some time. I fail to see why the post in question is a bridge too far. ESH.

  • Banned for supporting EU decision regarding names of meat products

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  • BPR and YDI

    Did you think you seemed justified in the linked thread?

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    Banned for asking for equality in treatment

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  • I'll feed you a bit, as a treat.

    The only disingenuity or dishonesty in our exchange so far is your willful misinterpretation of what would be, in context, antithetical. In this discussion, it is anything in diametrical contrast to the letter and spirit of the community you were banned from. It is not for you to be the arbiter of what is or is not perferred there.

    The community in question and others on LBZ practice a form of extreme acceptance. It is codified in the mtf community sidebar in the statements:

    This is a supportive community...

    and

    ...disrupting the safety of this space for trans feminine people is unacceptable and will result in moderator action.

    and

    Gatekeeping will not be tolerated.

    and

    Please be kind and respectful to all.

    Your removed "challenge" to the tone of the original post falls in direct opposition to the stated guidelines for being allowed to contribute there. Even the recreated, possibly sanitized version you have presented here is clearly beyond what many LBZ communities find acceptable. Further argument to the contrary, coupled with your attempts to personally disparage anyone who does not agree with your erroneous position, only solidifies the notion that you are not operating in good faith.

    If everyone is presenting a similar version of the same reasoning, that does not necessarily imply a hive mind; sometimes it just means you are an asshole.

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  • I do not disagree with your sentiment.

    I probably could have been more clear in my wording, but contextually my point stands: in this circumstance, it was account deletion with voluntary salting of all post history. There was a conscious decision to burn everything down. Losing the discussion was collateral damage that was deemed acceptable by the one doing the deleting.

    I do not begrudge Stamets, or anyone else for that matter, the right to dissociate themselves from their previous account, posts, and comments; however, I do believe that such drastic action has resulted in what ought to be a symbollic endpoint to this whole mess for the time being. Until such time that Mister Lund transgreses once more, best to let the matter lie.

  • [Repost] Jordan Lund: An Unbiased Perspective

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  • This post serves as a great representation of one of the pitfalls of account deletion. There was a wealth of discussion in the comment section of the original post, including defenses by the subject themselves that truly served as a greater damnation than any of the rest of us could have hoped to achieve.

    Now, in a futile effort to not only sever any ongoing connection to an instance, but to also erase any record of previous association, something of record and some small import was lost.

    Absent any additional developments, this ought to serve as the final chapter of this epic of the unwashed. Any other sputterings or musings might serve as epilogue, but it is time to put the main story to rest for now. The moment was lost along with its own history.

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  • If a hypothetical trans person were to feel that the actions and attitudes of !Transfem@lemmy.blahaj.zone were too pandering, said HTP would be more than welcome to cease association with that community.

    You posted a comment that went contrary to, if not the letter, the spirit of the rules of the community. Your unsolicited negativity was deemed detrimental to the curated experience there.

    I have little doubt that the same sort of comment made by anyone else, be they trans or cis, masculine, feminine, or neuter, would be handled by an equivalent invitation to no longer take part in a community that they expressed such an antithetical attitude toward the general spirit of.

    At best, BPR; I tend to believe that you commented with the intention of crying foul about the action that you already knew would result. Otherwise you were not cognizant of the climate in the community you commented in, and therefore YDI.

    In other words: if you shit in the punch bowl, do not be surprised when you are kicked out of the party.

  • BritCard ID Now Mandatory — What Happens if You Refuse?

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  • Nah, the part where the thorn slipped.

  • Dexter finds inspiration

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  • Dexter Holland, lead singer of the band The Offspring, famous in part for the song "Come Out and Play," which features the memorable line "You gotta keep em separated," holds a PhD in molecular biology.

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  • My point is that much of the world don't have passports. Maybe it seems oþerwise from your Euro-centric viewpoint, but surprise: most of þe population of þe world lives outside Europe.

    Leaving this here for posterity, do with it as you will.

  • An Update on Jordan Lund and a Goodbye to Lemmy.world

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  • should we just purge all mods of LW communities because someone says so?

    Of course not. But you equally shouldn’t frame this situation as some completely arbitrary complaint made by the platonic default user.

    There is a clear pattern of abuse, arrogance, and animosity over a substantial span of time. Individuals from the .world admin team have observed and commented on some of these actions on multiple occasions. None of what Stamets collected and organized in his post was new information hitherto unknown by you all.

    As you are the one commenting now, I will assume that you speak for the .world admin team as a whole. I appreciate that you collectively wish to make a calculated and informed decision, and I understand the time burden that comes with volunteer efforts. Ultimately, however, instance administration is not a court of law. Moderation is not a livelihood. The only consequences of relieving Jordan of his volunteer burden are community outrage and hurt feelings. He can't sue you to be reinstated or win a judgement for lost wages.

    While I applaud your desire to foster the appearance of keeping everything above board and within the boundaries you all have put in place for yourselves, I must also deride what appears to be unintended hypocrisy: It sounds as if you all have decided what needs to happen and are now engaged in finding the narrative that fits the rules and gets you to your predetermined outcome.

    Ubi pus, ibi evacua, not ubi pus, regula consule.

  • An Update on Jordan Lund and a Goodbye to Lemmy.world

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  • Wait, did we iterate to 1 when I wasn't looking?

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  • Well, tell your BFF Jill she's banned, too.

  • Ladybird - A browser built for the user

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  • Not for nothing, in these use cases it's fowl with a w, unless you mean to imply that it's wicked, immoral, or offensive.

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  • I have not seen anyone give you a specific answer regarding a better way of handling this situation. I would like to try to do so.

    You mentioned that an exhaustive list of terms is not practical, and I agree with that assessment. You also state that you have distilled the rule down to "be civil". This seems to be an oversimplification requiring further explanation whenever an infraction arises, which seems equally impractical.

    A better solution can most likely be found between the two extremes. Clarifying text added to the "be civil" rule might make your stance on what constitutes incivility more apparent.

    "Be civil: dismissive, insulting, or overly antagonistic interactions will be subject to action at the discretion of the moderators."

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  • I assume you are aware of his reiteration of those claims in his response to this post, correct?

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  • Six of one, yeah?

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  • If these comments represent your thought-out responses to the spotlight that has been shone on your shortcomings as a moderator, I would suggest that you did not allow those thoughts proper time to prove. What we're left with are overly dense rationalizations that have sadly fallen flat.

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  • I think I'm in agreement with Monk here, as much as I hate to admit that.

    Vilify the actions, not the human, with the goal of driving the human to take better actions. At the end of the day, he's a person who makes poor choices as a moderator on the internet. I don't think he's even come close to crossing the line of irredeemability.

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  • There are behaviors and incidents from months ago cited in the OP. How slow is slow enough for you? What's the acceptable time frame to have a retrospective look at a moderator's poor track record?

    The majority of actions and interactions Stamets included are in the public record. The one bit of inside knowledge appears to be something .world staff would be privy to. How much advance notice do you need in order to comment?

    Most people are reading these incidents for at least a second time right now, having seen them when they were initially called out as well. Most members of this community follow conversations in this community closely. Most participants understand that responses come after calls, hence the term "call-and-response."

    I do wonder how often you've encouraged Jordan to be slower and more considerate in his exchanges.