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  • horseshoe theory doesn’t apply to every leftist group [...] research their backgrounds to see if they’re authoritarian first

    hence why I say to be wary and why I say I'd vote but not in every circumstances though BrainInABox makes fair points against it

  • fair enough

  • well you're entitled to your opinions but you don't seem to try to argue in good faith your points to favor your reasoning

  • I think the earliest documented version of this quote (1955 October 31, The Commonwealth: Official Journal of the Commonwealth Club of California) is more intriguing:

    Lenin wrote, “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.”

    —Major George Racey Jordan

  • People love gaslightning and trying to make things sound like a conspiracy, ever since the fall of Lulz it has sort of "died" you'd see a lot happening both to governments and companies now it's just mostly going after governments, I'd not be surprised if it was just foreign intel agencies to not take the blame for leaking

  • Those people:

    • science denial/esotherics
    • selective exclusion from basic rights

    No true progressive leftist would be in for either of the two, but in regards to the other two it can become tricky to know

    One very helpful concept is the tolerance paradox

    Or simply ignore the gaslightning that tolerance is a paradox and take it as a social contract where both ends must comply, if one won't then you shouldn't take for granted the other should

  • Radical leftism means in essence:

    • everyone is the same
    • everyone deserves the same satisfaction of their needs
    • a roof over your head, food and drink are inalienable rights.

    Any progressive leftist would agree with those things hence why I'd be all for them and as you said there are exceptions in radical left where they shouldn't be taken seriously

  • Sometimes it's needed for other needs too, in my experience some will just blurt how complicated is to move or they will move but sometimes forget to open it to check for messages since they'd only be using it to talk to you instead of switching entirely to another platform like you did, some people are fine with the cost of isolating themselves to not worry of those who won't put effort to contact you through your privacy-wise better alternative you are using but some will eventually burn out and give in to partially going back to said terrible platforms like Discord, it's all about threat model. I find it easier to convince people from Discord to use Matrix but people using WhatsApp? Oh well, those you hardly will manage to convince them all for you to just quit it. How I see is in the end we are all different with different needs, some people will just happily comply with your request becauss they proudly will support you switching elsewhere for a reasonable and good reason but some will try and stop, and some will just keep insisting for you not to leave (then if you leave even if they're insisting you not to, who would be at fault then? they'd be begging you to stay and most of the time these people are usually the ones who still hasn't awakened to the dangers of privacy invasive platforms and just shrug it off, so they are not leaving because they don't care about you, they just don't get at all why you are doing it and find it pointless - which helps when you try to inform them in a long period of time about such things, but who does that all the time when trying others to switch? some find out about these issues and just want to snap into the better privacy-wise alternative asap)

    FYI my reply isn't some defending talking points not to switch but to explain from different perspectives why some just won't bother

  • Not in all cases as I said between a radical left and a right-winger you might be better voting for the radical left but why I say to be wary is because of the Horseshoe Theory

    If you were to say progressive leftists is where I'd be all for

  • Just making sure anyone not getting it to see what's up with the post, you'd be surprised how many people don't do well in Geography

  • I didn't know about those groups, thanks for bringing light to it although I'd be wary of voting radical left unless the alternative is only a right-winger