Just want to say this is the only sane take. I am donating and supporting the Green party in hopes of 5%, then we'll see the Dems actually get off their ass and give some scraps to the struggling working class of this country.
nah. my vote doesn’t mean that. what a very dumb thing to say, traitor.
It literally does whether you want to accept it or not. We provide money and weapons to bomb children, you vote in support of the president doing this.
lol. you’re fucking delusional, traitor.
The only traitor here is you voting for corporate fascism, willfully voting in support of the rich.
Belittling people is rarely a good dialectical tactic, and speaks to your own level of maturity.
Only in response to their claims, I am not "belittling" them, they made those statements themselves that they consent to "corporate facism", I do not.
If this is the type of discourse employed by green party supporters and campaign volunteers, I’ll be staying away.
That's fine, I'm targeting non-voters.
Based on what I’ve seen of your post history here, you’re a combative ideologue who’s not interested in building anything other than ill-will, with seemingly zero desire to talk about anything that doesn’t give you an opportunity to aggressively proselytize.
That is necessary considering how heavy handed pro-capitalist propaganda is. What would you like to discuss?
You seem to turn every conversation you have into an abrasive display of your moral superiority, repeating the same talking points ad nauseum while abandoning any points that shift out of your favor.
The truth is hard to accept, and I am not ashamed of being against fascist corporate control of our economy, regardless of how hard you try to make me conceed that. Now provide an example of me abandoing any point that has been "out of my favor".
Perhaps you hope that you can activate non-voters with your accusatory, venomous, divisive rhetoric, but I struggle to see how that strategy will be beneficial should a Green candidate make it to the Presidency.
Coalition building with the Democratic party will absolutely be necessary to get Green legislation through congress early on; It seems short-sighted to belittle and alienate those who vote closest to your interests on the political spectrum by equating them with those who vote furthest from your interests. Ideals are important, but game theory underpins all political action and must be considered.
The Democratic party will not be there to offer a coalition. They spend millions trying to prevent Greens from even being on the ballot. Your "game theory" is wrong considering you used nonfactual inputs. The only path towards progress is rejecting all pro-capitalist actors, which will more than make up for it with support from the poor working class.
Further, RCV does not require the Green party to be implemented. Many states have been experimenting with RCV (and other alternative voting systems) without leadership from the Green party (source). That trend has been picking up steam across the nation.
Gaslighting at it finest, I never claimed the Green party was necessary for RCV to be implemented, only the Democrats will fight against it since it hurts their chances against third parties. The trend has been by ballot initiatives, not Democratic legislation.
Voting for a politician is not an open agreement with every action they take. I didn’t vote for billions to go to war manufacturers.
You literally did, and are planning to in November.
I voted against Trump.
Same here, by voting for the green party.
Thus splitting the vote and landing us in Gilead, no thanks. I don’t want to get killed by the state for being LGBTQ+
Nope. Most green voters I've convinced have been non-voters. They are the biggest voting block.
That’s kind of a big point of being in a democratic society - we are all, every one of us, responsible for the actions of our government.
They just described why I vote green party.
And if you don’t like that responsibility, I get it, I totally sympathize, because I agree. I hate that responsibility, especially cause I know damn well I’m not qualified to make those decisions. But I still am responsible, and pretending I’m not doesn’t change that.
Yes, that's why we're responsible for building a better party, very simple to understand.
So bullshit. I’m assuming you voted 3rd party in 2016. You chose to vote in a way that had no chance of having any effect to stave off Trump. So you are complicit in Trump. You consented to Trump. And thanks to people like you, we are now losing abortion access. The SCOTUS is now openly debating if a president can have political opponents killed. The road of fascism we are heading down is directly a result of people limply throwing pissing their vote into the wind.
I'm proud I did not consent to Trump or Clinton in 2016, you did. Green have a chance because Dems and Republicans are terrible. You're just a scared, disenfranchised little child that can't make your own decisions. I am responsible for improving my government, which is why I'm building a better option in the Green party. You do nothing but whine and submit to fascism, pathetic.
They are openly debating if the president can have political opponents killed. Quit living under a rock.
Hilarious. The rich have you figured out and are playing you like a fiddle.
No shit.
But I am not an imbecile who thinks they can magic away the spoiler effect. That’s you.
The literal only way is voting, it's so simple it's hilarious.
Voting third party is equal to choosing the second option.
Nope.
Get a grip. You’ve done no better to get RCV implemented. Your votes get you nothing, because you vote for candidates that mathematically cannot win thanks to the inherent biases of FPTP voting.
LOL so people who had power and proved to you they will do nothing to get RCV passed. Greens can mathematically win, you just vote for them.
And RCV isn’t even that good of an option. STAR and approval are superior.
Exactly what law do you expect them to pass? This is all Dems fault for being so garbage that Republicans even have a chance.
Yeah, a party that has won exactly zero presidential elections what a party you’ve built. How proud you must be.
You have to vote for them to win dumbass.
A man abducts you and gives you to choices:
Have sex with him “willingly”
He kills you, and has sex with your corpse
Choosing the first option in no way is consensual.
You are truly deranged. In this comparison you could choose neither and vote green party.
Voting for either major party is an endorsement of the FPTP voting system, pledging you will not make it change. That's a disastrous choice.