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  • Wait what? I think I missed that.

  • Maybe, except nobody ever got out of CECOT.

  • Fellas, is this DEI?

  • I didn't prove your point, you're just being inconsistent: you started by saying this "mafia" of yours is supposedly imposing a trend, but now they're just following the trend — they can't do both. If they're just mimicking support, then they're just following... so who's leading? Who's the boss of the "LGBT mafia"? That was my original question: who's incentivizing all the wokeness?

    As for "forcing behaviors", they're not forcing anything more than some KPIs that can be skirted by hiring a consultant to do some bullshit sensitivity training. Just take a look at how shallow the environment pledges have been: all that posturing and nobody's actually hitting their targets, not companies and not even countries (because it's a neoliberalism problem). They talk a big game then bury the lede when it's time to show results. They do the same crap with all progressive issues, and their hypocrisy is delegitimizing the actual movements, because people associate the real issues with this shallow pretend support, and come to believe it's all fake. We're so cooked, man.

  • Ah yes, the CEO of Blackrock is definitely an ally to LGBT people (head of their "mafia" even, according to you) and not just cynically pandering to whichever way the wind is blowing for exactly the amount of time it's beneficial to him and not a second more.

    Just so you know, no progressive likes these evil companies or considers them or their CEOs allies. Their DEI initiatives are as fake as their environmental ones, it's just virtue signaling. They don't actually do anything for LGBT people — or any people for that matter, because believe it or not, real DEI includes straight white guys too! — they just adapt their marketing and product offerings to growing progressive sentiment. But the second the culture shifts, so does their "very serious commitment" to ESG/DEI/whatever.

    And don't get me started how the rainbow marketing is non-existant in countries without widespread acceptance of LGBT people, which you'd think would be a crucial piece of their activity if their goal was actually to spread an ideology, right? (By contrast, think how MAGA-like movements exist in even the most progressive countries, and they push on regardless.) But this supposed "LGBT mafia" doesn't push at all, they're reactive to the environment and they shift gears the second it becomes a perceived liability: Musk, Zuckerberg, all of Big Tech and other supposed global wokeness spreaders, they all pivoted away from performative progressivism the second they realized it wouldn't harm their profits.

    So there's your LGBT mafia chief. Got any more?

  • "The left is sniff so mean!"

  • Sure, bud.

  • New shiny trend like...education? Or more broadly: workers' rights, unions, due process, civil rights?

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  • While they do play a part, race and gender are not the deciding factors here. This is clearly about class — and more recently, allegiance.

  • Oh yeah, I was saying more broadly, but you're right.

    Also, reading your reply made me realize something: this existential apocalyptic danger that they use to justify their extremism, it's both a recent emergency that will destroy society if we don't act now and an ancient Satanic plot that has existed since time immemorial.

  • I was just talking about the slogan. You're talking about sending a message through an action. Those are two different things that are not mutually exclusive.

    That said, having burning buildings as the "message" is mutually exclusive with rallying millions of people. Personally I'd prefer the instances of vandalism remain fringe events unassociated with the movement so as not to put millions of protesters in danger any more than they already are.

  • "Hands Off" is the right message. It's short, direct, punchy, combative, and doesn't give way to bs attacks from conservatives the way e.g. "defund the police" did. It's also inclusive of every group (except the elites in power of course), while hitting the "no war but class war" vibe pretty well, like it's a common struggle that we're all a part of.

  • Same reason they're still hung up on Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton: the nazi grifters keep recycling the same material.

    If anything, they're going further and further back, reviving fringe conspiracies, so that it seems like the plot to oppress them has continuity throughout history, even since ancient times. (Of course, the problem with that is having to skirt around the OG nazis, who did the same thing with essentially the same conspiracies.)

  • I heard 500k total? But that seems off by orders of magnitude. Just judging by the sheer scale. Although I do want them to be huge so I'm trying not to let confirmation bias fool me.

  • I want this if only just to see Vance complaining about EU expansion at their border.

    No need for them to adopt the Euro though. Many EU countries are still on their original currency even now.

  • Don't worry, not for long.

  • Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. I was also curious whether the existing EV infrastructure for Tesla is usable by other models, because I think this would be a crucial factor for mass adoption.