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  • I am for the civilized approach of the Nordic Model.

    What is the Nordic Model?

    The Nordic Model (sometimes known as the Sex Buyer Law, and the Swedish, Abolitionist, Survivor or Equality Model) is an approach to prostitution that has been adopted in Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Northern Ireland, Canada, France, Ireland and Israel. It has several elements:

    1. Decriminalisation of selling sex acts

    Prostitution is inherently violent. Women should not be criminalised for the exploitation and abuse they endure.

    2. Buying sex acts becomes a criminal offence

    Buying human beings for sex is harmful, exploitative and can never be safe. We need to reduce the demand that drives sex trafficking.

    3. Support and exit services

    High quality, non-judgemental services to support those in prostitution and help them build a new life outside it, including: access to safe affordable housing; training and further education; child care; legal, debt and benefit advice; emotional and psychological support.

    A holistic approach

    A public information campaign; training for police and CPS; tackling the inequality and poverty that drive people into prostitution; effective laws against pimping and sex trafficking, with penalties that reflect the enormous damage they cause. Read more >>

  • I don't exactly know, but I have no reason to think that adult films take place in an different world where the rape statistics are drastically different. is there reasoning to claim its 50/50?

  • 90 percent of adult rape victims are female. not every post has to be about everyone

  • OP is a teacher, the keyword there was "kids"

  • you're asking the right questions. unfortunately a lot of people are so porn-brained that they have to silence anyone who dares ask a question that might make their peepees go soft.

    so many people would rather look the other way and ignore harm to women and children because it benefits them to not think about it.

  • The Cinderellennium Falcon

  • The thing is, there's not much point debating you.

    Hey, I'm genuinely sorry if anything I've said has come off as hurtful or insincere. I don't like to think of this thread as a debate, myself. I like to have conversations, and I really don't like debates full of gotchas and personal attacks that some "anti trans" people use. I wouldnt call myself anti trans at all. I try to just talk and listen, and let people know when I agree with them. If you aren't super comfortable talking here, I don't want to pressure you to continue. I try to see you as a conversation partner and not an opponent since we're all humans after all. Hope I'm not overexplaining here. In short - these conversations get heated sometimes, but that's not what I want at all. For now, you asked some questions and made some statements, so I'll answer those:

    But, I think you don't want sports segregated by sex assigned at birth, either. If you did, you would have trans men competing against women.

    You're right actually, I don't think segregating by sex is the best possible solution. I might have said something different before, so please excuse me if I misspoke. Thanks for catching me out there. I think that it is important that women have the right to their own protected category, to increase opportunities and recognition. I probably explained that better in my last response. But in general, I think it would be nice if there were two categories: Women and Open. As far as the Open category goes, anyone would be able to participate there no matter their sex/gender, as long as they can perform at the level required. This gets rid of a lot of silly debates, while still allowing women athletes to have guaranteed access to opportunities and recognition in the Womens category, or choose to compete on the Open stage if they qualify. Since I can't have my ideal world, though, I think that having Mens and Womens categories is... an ok solution. How much can we reasonably change? As far as your question of: "trans men competing against women" goes, most sporting authorities have rules that athletes can't compete if they've taken a steroid (extra testosterone for example) in the last X months. Do you think this is a good rule?

    feel free to look into long- and ultra-distance running for instances of women getting closer to men's times

    Ah! Yes, I'm actually familiar with this. Thanks for bringing it up. Long distance / endurance competitions are one of the few cases where women may outperform men. This is pretty interesting, and I haven't looked into why it is. Maybe pain tolerance? Either way, this is pretty cool.

    I'd really like to understand you point of view better. If you have some time, I'm curious. Can I ask:

    • Are you confident that women and men will be on par with each other athletically in the future? If so: would you say that A. the average man and average woman will be on par with each other, or B. the very best men and women will be par with each other? or C. something else?
    • If you wouldn't mind, could you give a numerical rating of 1-10 of how confident you are in this?

    I'd also like to ask, based on your last comment:

    The biggest issue is that there just aren't enough trans athletes to know how much of an advantage or disadvantage being trans gives you, but, on average, it is likely to be pretty minimal if there even is one.

    How would you define being trans? This might seem like a silly question, but I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing. Personally, I think that anyone who says "I'm trans" is trans. This means that no medicalization is necessary, cause trans is just an identity. So according to that definition, "being trans" alone gives you literally 0 advantage/disadvantage! (lol at the technicalities of definitions). But yeah, What do you think?

  • I was busy the last few days but I think this conversation is important.

    I'm right there with you for lots of the things you bring up. Women's sports are severely underfunded, and women's accomplishments are severely under-appreciated. What would you name as the reasons for this outcome? I think there are many... For one, many people are sexist and just don't care for women's sport. Another reason is that women's sports are on average less extreme. Men are setting the records and pushing the human boundaries when it comes to sport. Women are pushing boundaries, too, (within women's specific sports categories), but generally not beating the highest of all human records.

    On average, women have significant disadvantages when it comes to sport... The short list I gave previously is obviously non-exhaustive. This is why women (as a class) outperform men (as a class) when it comes to physical sports. <- just so its very clear, I'm speaking of classes here, not individuals.

    One class out-performing another then brings about the most natural way to make categories in sports: sex. This way, each class can have their own champions. Women are given opportunities to win in fairness and gain recognition for amazing feats.

    Ultimately you and I are both concerned with giving the best possible opportunities to athletes. The whole idea of sports is that there is an established class who is participating, and within that class - may the best competitor win. Because of the stark differences in outcomes among men and women competitors, the easiest and most fair class distinction to draw is based on sex. It uplifts women as a class, and gives women a spot on the largest stages. I think this is a wonderful thing, and I would never want to threaten it.

    So that's my perspective. As a quick direct response, (so I don't seem as if I'm avoiding anything):

    • "does that mean a cis woman who has all of those things is also unfair?" In this response, I mention here that my list is non-exhaustive. I think if we looked up a longer list, it would be clear why both athletes couldn't practically possess all of the same characteristics, and why this comparison would fail.
    • "satistics show that cis and trans athletes have a statistical advantage in a wide variety of sports and activities between 7% and -13%"... Appologies, this is somewhat unclear to me. Would you clarify a bit? I am having trouble understanding who/what exactly the numbers refer to.
    • "several sports are starting to have women with results similar to men". Could you explain in which sports men and women have similar outcomes? Or what has led you to this conclusion? If this is the case, I'd like to believe it too.

    Thanks for the good discussion, and for the patience.

  • you have been very respectful, and i mean this with respect as well: do you think it is possible that there is a scientific answer to this, and perhaps you don't know enough to confirm or deny it?

    this is really only a debate when it comes to humans, because it is not emotionally charged at all when we speak of the sex of a dog for example. it is reasonable to say that approximately half of dogs produce sperm, and those are the males. the other half produce eggs and are females.

    there isn't really a debate there, no one claims that "dogs with long hair are female" or anything stupid like that...

    in every animal, sex is determined by what gamete their body is set up to produce. this is just what the scientific method has shown, really. i say this with no hate or love in my heart either way. if science is able to show otherwise, then i shall follow it there. it is not my opinion, and it is not what i want to be true. it is just an observable thing

  • can you clarify what they are not born with? I want to make sure we're on the same page, and discussing the same specifics. women can still produce ova without a uterus. women can still have a system that supports the production of ova if they have ovaries that don't function for whatever reason.

  • I agree that both could be useful in different contexts. I'm only speaking of biological sex in my definition, which is different from gender. in ~99.9% of cases, doctors can tell from observation at birth what someone's sex is, and it is noted on the birth certificate. (to clarify, do you consider the birth certificate to be a medical record?). I do support the amending of birth certificates if the doctors observed incorrectly. I don't think think any other medical records would have to be shared with the government, but (beside the point: ) you should assume they always are anyway. but doctors could never "check medical records to determine gender" anyway, as gender and sex are not the same.

  • right, "born with".

    not sure I understand what you're saying in the second half, could you elaborate?

    edit: i think i see what you meant. most women are XX, maybe that was a typo. chromosomes are strongly correlated with sex but are not what determines it. that's why i didn't mention chromosomes. you're right, not all women are born with a uterus, or with ovaries that actually produce eggs. but from a biological standpoint, we can determine which gametes (egg or sperm) that would be produced, were it the case that everything was functioning.