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  • I disagree, I'm not making you the enemy. I just won't follow your tactics or your rhetoric. If you think that not doing what you think I should be doing, makes me your enemy, that's on you.

    We can certainly do make clearly friendly attempt to make it work. Y'all join us in doing anarchist prefiguration and it's all gravy.

    As strange as it may be, I didn't come to lemmy predisposed against hexbears, but it was y'all direct actions over the last 3 years that have made me suspicious and cautious against y'all. This should tell you something. You're not winning hearts and minds with your overall behaviour which is of course counter productive for revolutionary purposes.

    Honestly it really all just sounds terribly vague. "we should all just be friends" can't be forced. What are the steps you're taking to nurture such friendship with anarchists like me? Because let me tell you, revisionism about the lessons anarchists learned when allying with MLs and bullying when we speaks against "AES" ain't it.

  • "fall in line or be purged after the revolution" is not the convincing argument you think it is. Even if I were to accept your revisionist takes, it would still lead back to capitalism, which is also what has historically occurred. No, I'd rather forge the anarchist way and try doing prefiguration instead. MLs are free to join us and build the new world in the shell of the old. I have no problem offering sincere friendship through that.

    Also note that I've never been hostile to y'all, but I can't say the opposite is true given the incredible amounts of bad faith and attempted bullying I have to tolerate whenever I interact here. Hell, just now I just came to point out a literal fact, and you turned it into a condescending scolding

  • Lol, nah it's actually worse than that, I'm actually Hitler

  • What? You should learn to read and comprehend better

  • Reducing the USSR to a "failure" because it collapsed is ahistorical idealism and the height of liberal nonsense

    'Tis what MLs perpetually do for every Anarchist revolution.

    Collapse doesn't retroactively erase what was built. "Anarchists" like you who dismiss seventy years of concrete progress because the state eventually fractured aren't radical they're reactionary. It achieved the same great improvements for living standards all other such capitalist revolutions did throughout history. Material gains for millions don't vanish because the system that produced them later unraveled.

    I'm not erasing anything. I consider the USSR revolution a great success for capitalism, as it turned an agrarian society into an industrialized capitalist nation. It's the only thing all such ML revolutions every achieved and the only thing they can achieve. It's an abject failure at achieving communism though.

  • Honest examination of material reality does on occasion change opinion

    honest examination == low effort sarcasm? Deeply unserious...

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  • No it's not really confused. I think you're just repeating yourself.

    Marxist socialism does not at all behave as capitalism does

    It behaves very much like Capitalism. Wage slavery for the working class. Luxury for the bourgeoisie (I.e. Chinese Billionnaires) and the state which enables them. When the Bourgeoisie doesn't nominally exist, it's because the state administrators simply act as the bourgeoisie by extracting the wealth and acting like parasites, like every manager in any capitalist company ever who claims they deserve their hundreds of multiples of the wealth of the working class because they are managing.

    At its best a "State Socialism" acts like any other Capitalist Social Democracy. At its worst, it's practically indistinguishable from nominally "benevolent" feudalism (i.e. red fascism)

  • Before we continue; do you know anything about Greece, or even which dictator I'm talking about?

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  • Capitalism unchecked would indeed devolve into neo-feudalism if working class reaction didn't prevent that.

    I'm not confusing anything

    For anarchists, the idea that socialism can be achieved via state ownership is simply ridiculous. For reasons which will become abundantly clear, anarchists argue that any such "socialist" system would simply be a form of "state capitalism." Such a regime would not fundamentally change the position of the working class, whose members would simply be wage slaves to the state bureaucracy rather than to the capitalist class. Marxism would, as Kropotkin predicted, be "the worship of the State, of authority and of State Socialism, which is in reality nothing but State capitalism."

    • [quoted by Ruth Kinna, "Kropotkin's theory of Mutual Aid in Historical Context", pp. 259-283, International Review of Social History, No. 40, p. 262]
  • /disengage

  • Just a tiny, insignificant problematic aspect like widespread support for fascism

    "widespread"

    Moreover, present day Russia is a creation by the West itself. It was your governments that wanted the USSR to collapse, your goverments that elevated individuals like Putin post-collapse. Now you get a brutal, capitalist, Anti-LGBT hellpit, that the people of the West somehow pretend just materialized out of nothing, and wasn't a result of their own negligence, their own unwillingness to prevent mass suffering in Eastern Europe and Asia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    Sounds to me USSR revolution wasn't that "successful" afer all

  • Pithy sarcasm in the face of nuance doesn't change opinions

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  • No state capitalism is a very accurate description when the state plays the role of the bourgeoisie and wage work is the primary mode of production

  • I think you're engaging in sophistry while knowing perfectly well you were going against the spirit of the rules.

    I don't have patience for this. Goodbye

  • Bandera was also a national liberation actor. One person who understands nuance could usually understand that national liberation actors tend to be lionized and their misdeeds trivialized. It happens constantly. Campists don't have a problem with mass murderers like Bandera, or Assad, or, Putin, they only have a problem when they're not in their camp.

    And for a national liberation actor, Bandera is receiving comparatively little praise, especially from the current government.

    This line of reasoning is therefore purposefully simplistic to paint a narrative, while of course ignoring the rampart fascism in the Russian aggressor who would of course impose a much worse form of fascism over Ukraine

    This chain of argument perfectly proves my point

  • Sure That's totally the same thing /s

  • Yes the amazing proof of rampart fascism that is,

    <check notes>

    , street names...

  • Oh so you don't actually endorse electoralist voting and we're just clarifying things to assist in the the discussion?

  • We have streets and buildinga named after a known fascist dictator in Greece who privately complained that Hitler didn't ask him to join the axis. This proves nothing except that time and war fog glorifies figures that don't always deserve it. This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Purposefully disregard all nuance to paint a narrative.

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    'We will never fucking trust you again'

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    An Epic 3D-Printed Fan Expansion for Last Light

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    Keep these Stupid American Trucks out of Europe

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    if the entire population just acted in a way they’ve never acted before...

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