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Cowbee [he/they]

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Actually, this town has more than enough room for the two of us

He/him or they/them, doesn't matter too much

Marxist-Leninist ☭

Interested in Marxism-Leninism, but don't know where to start? Check out my Read Theory, Darn it! introductory reading list!

  • In what way is this gatekeeping? The working class can quite easily understand that we are being exploited, just looking at disparity alone makes it come quite easily to us. However, the inner workings of capitalism, imperialism, its drives, how it works and functions, all of this is far from obvious. If it were truly obvious, then everyone would probably already be a Marxist.

    I can say that revolutionaries should be trained, because we know what happens when they are, vs. when they aren't. For example, in the Russian revolutions, many factions tried to rely on "sponteniety" or otherwise disapproved of revolutionary theory. These factions all lost out to the bolsheviks, who were dedicated, professional revolutionaries.

    That isn't to say that the entire working class shouldn't participate, just that they won't be the ones leading revolution. Lady Izdihar made a helpful diagram:

    All of these components are necessary for success, which we can verify by looking at successful vs. failed revolutions. It isn't gatekeeping to say that a random person should be a surgeon without due training, but instead aconowledgement that for success, we need to train, and that we cannot expect everyone to have the time and dedication to train equally. This isn't shutting people out of the movement, but proper organizing.

  • Just browse Join-Lemmy and pick an instance that sticks out and you like the vibe of, with good local communities and decent federation. The only one I truly recommend avoiding is Lemmy.world, due to its size and moderation on some larger communities.

  • Lemmy.world is actually defederated from some larger instances, and many smaller ones defederate it for being too dominating.

  • If people are communists, I see no reason why they should avoid the communist instances. If you don't like communists, wouldn't you rather they be in instances you're defederated with or can easily block? People can decide for themselves if they want to stay or not after checking an instance.

  • Hexbear is openly communist, it doesn't "try to sound cute to trick people." That's genuinely the community, tons of queer communists.

  • You may disagree with communists, but we are by no means fascists. Fascism is inherently tied to protecting private property and capitalism, communists oppose that and seek to collectivize production and distribution.

  • .world is missing because it's way too big, and Grad is below other servers like dbzer0, sh.itjust.worlks, Blahaj.zone, Lemmy.ca, programming.dev, etc. Hex and .ml are up high because, like it or not, they are highly active non-.world instances.

  • In addition to being a themed community of communities, instances also have different federation/defederation policy. dbzer0 is defederated from Lemmygrad.ml, for example, while being federated with Hexbear.net. There's also the differences on how upvoting and downvoting is treated among instances, with some disabling downvotes and some disabling voting altogether.

  • Nor on Hexbear, or a few other large instances. In the case of Hexbear and Blahaj, it's to protect queer users from being unfairly downvoted, as well as to encourage discussion over silent downvoting.

  • No problem! As a tiny addendum, if you're interested in Marxism-Leninism at a general level, and not how it's specifically used in China, I wrote an introductory reading list you can check out if you want!

  • I'm not trying to argue with you, just see more where you're coming from, what your present understanding of socialism and China in particular is, etc, so that I can help bridge the gap. For clarity, I'm a Marxist-Leninist, I study theory and organize in real life (though less than I'd like to admit, which is something I'm working on).

    The PRC does mass produce a huge portion of the world's goods, yes. This alone isn't incompatible with either capitalism or socialism. China has a private sector, largely relegated to small/medium firms, and secondary, ie not critical or key industries. The public sector governs the large firms and key industries, including finance.

    Even checking Wikipedia, data from 2022 shows that the overwhelming majority of the top companies are publicly owned SOEs. This is China's strategy, they've been honest about it from the beginning. The private sector is about half cooperatives like Huawei or farming cooperarives and sole proprietorships, with the other half being small and medium firms. As these grow, they are folded into the public sector gradually. This is China's Socialist Market Economy.

    China's relation with the world market came into being as a result of Reform & Opening Up, which agreed to foreign investment as long as the PRC retained sovereignty over the invested capital, and technology and knowledge transfer was mandatory. This is the secret to stablizing their growth, which was positive but unstable under Mao and the Gang of Four, as the PRC was developing from a largely agrarian economy to an industrialized one:

    Class struggle does continue in socialism. The idea that it ends is one of the reasons the USSR liberalized towards the end and dissolved. China's market reforms were made not with blindness to their danger, but with control and containment, often described as a "birdcage model." In this way, the proletariant retains dominance over the state and the commanding heights of industry, while capitalists largely exist purely to facilitate the beneficial aspects of markets, such as rapid development of underdeveloped industry. As these firms grow, they are folded and integrated more into the public sector.

    As for the state being run by the working classes, this is also pretty straightforward. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the CPC, a working class party, dominates the state. At a democratic level, local elections are direct, while higher levels are elected by lower rungs. At the top, constant opinion gathering and polling occurs, gathering public opinion, driving gradual change. This system is better elaborated on in Professor Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance, and we can see the class breakdown of the top of the government itself:

    Overall, this system has resulted in over 90% of the population approving the government, which is shown to be consistent and accurate. If you want to learn more Roland Boer also has a good book called Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners, which is more specifically about the PRC and goes beyond the structures of governance to the more broad system of socialism in China. While not nearly as in-depth due to time limits as Roland Boer's work (and mostly focused on the Xi Jinping era), Red Pen's A Summary of Xi Jinping's Governance of China can be a good primer! There's also This is how China's economic model works: Explaining Socialism with Chinese Characteristics by Geopolitical Economy Report.

  • What would you accept as proof? The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have Professor Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.

    How could they have materially been more democratic in a way that would satisfy you?

    When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski's Human Rights in the Soviet Union.

    In what way were they more repressive than their peers?

  • It's not about gatekeeping "common sense," much of what Marx elaborates on is far from common sense until you adopt the method of dialectical materialism. Theory is necessary, just like you wouldn't want a random person to perform surgery, so too you wouldn't want an untrained revolutionary.

  • AI is generally treated more as infrastructure in China, for helping automate industry and agriculture, than as an investment platform and the latest "fad" bubble.

  • Why do you believe manufacturing to be incompatible with socialism? In the PRC, public ownership, not private, is the principle aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. This is recognized as socialist.

  • The picture is closer to the truth when you factor in imperialism, and the actual wealth gap.

  • The rate is massive at this point, considering how long it has been going on, especially due to imperierialism. You're referring to the labor aristocracy exclusively when you say 13,000 isn't life changing.

  • Oh, most definitely real then!

  • That works!

  • The burden of proof is on you, all I was doing was contextualizing what you posted.