I don't know, a lot of vegans also garden and also, are vastly more aware of the industrial food systems and purposefully avoid unethical food sources.
It would be fair to say, more ethical than some vegans, some that are 'low effort' that just look out for vegan food and sometimes eat nothing but processed foods. But if you follow vegan influencers, many of them are so knowledgeable of the food systems that they buy from that implying they are unethical is just plainly wrong.
not implying they are right wing at all, that wasn't my intention. Try re-reading it.
Nah, op is correct.
So the first comment in this thread did not say they were infuriated? Is that not what I was originally replying to? Is that not why I said I was unbothered by namecalling, to point out the fact that it is not infuriating?
I think YOU are missing the point of the first comment and MY point.
They said that they are infuriated by people name-calling them, somebody said "see how you like it" and... I wasn't infuriated.
Insane that anti-vegan people (who have generally fallen for right-wing propaganda) are so bandwagony that you are getting upvoted for being so very incorrect.
I don't think supplements are the go-to solution, but they are a solution that exists for those that are unable to formulate a nutritious diet beyond eating steak.
Even if humans reduced their meat consumption drastically it would be even more inefficient to produce meat ethically -- either that, or the prices of meat would rise astronomically which is probably a good thing, making it more of a luxury item.
Literally nothing you said contradicts what I said. It's easy to buy a microwave hamburger for sure and others have carnist diets and don't usually cater for vegans, that's true. Thanks.
I think there is a way to create 'ethical' meat through giving animals good lives and having laws around the ages they can be killed, etc.
However I don't think it's possible due to the costs and land required to do this, so unfortunately, I don't think there is any ethical way to produce meat these days. The most ethical is probably hunting to prevent overpopulation.
it really isn't that hard at all, supplements exist for everything these days and a vegan diet is a lot cheaper than a carnist one with the rise of meat costs.
I wasn't familiar with that. When I wanted to see if I could buy ethical cheese I found one farm which reared calves with mothers, and read that although everything else they do seemed to be ethical, they did sell their male calves to be used for veal. That may have been incorrect and if it was, I was unaware.
The cheese was also extremely expensive too, like 10x the price of normal cheese.
Unfortunately - and this is the problem - it is incredibly inefficient to raise animals properly. Almost any 'humane' animal products that you can think of have very harmful practices embedded in them.
Firstly - the animals having the best possible life right to the moment of death would still allow things like lamb. Surely giving a baby the best possible life before killing it young is still barbaric?
Secondly - secondary animal products would still require harmful practices. For a dairy cow to produce milk she has to be pregnant / have a baby. Some farms produce 'humane' dairy which involves allowing the mother and calf to live together, but then it also requires them to sell the male calves to be killed for veal because.. what else would a male calf be for?
And finally, onto the point of inefficiency. Do you have any idea how many chickens are killed every single day to supply our food system? You probably do, but you may be unaware of what that means - the Earth does not have enough land possible to raise these chickens, it is physically impossible and that is just one farm animal.
So the future of a humane world for animals either involves quality synthetic meat, or everybody is suddenly happy to go vegan, or more likely; everybody remains carnivorous and we continue to torture animals.
does shitting on the floor exist as a major plot point in the series? No?
you are letting your hate for a person obscure the objectivity behind the comments you are replying to.