Does Gentoo still have use flags?
AFAIK, it still does. Though I wonder if it still comes with a lot of added complexity that you note. I've yet to give Gentoo a good try. Therefore, you could be totally right with the following:
I’d be surprised if gentoo was considered stable, if you make heavy use of use-flag
Regardless, it was an informative talk. Thank you for that! Have a nice day 😊!
As expected. At this point, consider following a video tutorial if you haven't yet.
At some point, the installation should ask you the driver on which it should be installed and also how the driver should be interacted with; i.e full wipe and then installation or only specified partitions. You specified elsewhere that you don't intend to dual-boot. Hence, selecting the correct drive and following the instructions for full wipe + installation (which should be regular/default installation) should have been sufficient.
Yeah, it's pretty niche. Redcore Linux is definitely (relatively speaking) more mainstream.
I suppose it's cool. MocaccionoOS is where my interests lie within the Gentoo derivatives. Granted, I'm a sucker for 'immutable' distros.
phew long answer.
Yeah, lol. My apologies 😅. Thank for reading through all of that 😊!
I just wrote from my limited experience. I never had something break on Fedora. I just updated a system from 35 to 41. The stuff that broke was something I compiled against old dependencies. (That’s why I didn’t update so long)
Interesting. Within the last two years, we had issues with mesa and codecs; some devices couldn't even boot up. I'm glad to hear you haven't had any issues though. BTW, for the sake of completeness, I've been daily driving Fedora Silverblue for over two years now*.
I just updated a system from 35 to 41.
LOL, my first version was version 35; which is a curious coincidence. With 41, do you mean Rawhide?
My Gentoo experience is >15y old.
15 years is a long time 😅. Do you recall if Gentoo had dependency resolution back then?
Together with all the other information you've shared, it's not entirely clear why it has failed; at least to me.
If you're not married/tied to the installation of Debian, may I suggest installing Linux Mint, Pop!_OS, Tuxedo OS or Zorin OS instead?
There are of course many other distros you could choose, but the earlier mentioned ones are 'stable' like Debian is. I thought that perhaps it was what attracted you towards Debian in the first place.
Could you describe what has transpired before? Have you actually installed Debian? Are you still trying to boot into the install medium?
Perhaps sharing device specs might be helpful.
Gentoo is considered stable
Honestly, I'm too unfamiliar with Gentoo to make a proper assessment on this. Though, even my (simple) understanding allows me to understand it as follows:
Which, I believe is what's alluded to here: "The update philosophy of a distro is generally not related to its release cadence, as you can have rolling release distros that are relatively stable (for example, Gentoo) and point release distros that are relatively bleeding edge (for example, Fedora)."
Is there any reason why you would deem Gentoo as not stable? If so, what?
but fedora “leaning unstable”?
For the sake of completeness, proper quotation would have been "leans bleeding"
I'll give you that the article is definitely not exhaustive and/or properly clarified. Perhaps for the sake of brevity, idk. Hence, I believe that this confusion is justified. However, again, I think the raised point is justifiable based on the following:
May I ask why you think Fedora does not lean towards unstable?
Anyway what is that whole un/stable supposed to mean anyway?
I agree it causes more confusion/conflation that it has any right to.
All non-rolling distros try to be stable.
It depends on the used definition of "stable" 😅.
What can break are third party repos and stuff you compiled yourself.
Sorry, I can't agree with you on this. Even if this is said in the context of non-rolling distros, my experiences with Fedora suggest otherwise. Granted, Fedora is sometimes referred to as semi-rolling release distro. So, perhaps it (and direct derivatives) are the exception.
With fedora that can “break” twice a year.
Agreed (with earlier mentioned caveat*).
With a rolling distro that can “break” on every updates
Agreed.
I'm personally a fan of NovaCustom; not as upgradable as Framework, however 7 years of parts are definitely nice to have. They also offer video tutorials on how to replace parts. Good stuff.
But, like any vendor targeting Linux, its devices can be more expensive than what you'd expect from Asus, Lenovo etc.
Perhaps the most important questions that need answering are the following:
As for distro, it all comes down to personal taste.
All of the previously mentioned distros are known to ship older versions of software. This is excellent if you require stability above all, but what if you want a distro built on more up to date software? Well, consider the following then:
Perhaps, you might prefer software updates as soon as they're available. Hence, Fedora (and derivatives) didn't quite cut it. Then, you should consider so-called rolling release distros. However, take note; every update comes with the risk of potentially breakage; i.e. something will misbehave that didn't before. The chance of this is relatively small; probs in the order of 1%. This chance persists; regardless of the chosen distro. Hence, with distros that update more often, it's more likely that some breakage will occur at some point.
With that out of the way, we should mention noteworthy rolling release distros:
Thanks for reading through it and giving your thoughts!
Could you elaborate on the mistakes/oversights found in the "Stable vs bleeding edge" section?
Running software you know you can’t trust is idiotic no matter how well you sandbox it.
Qubes OS disagrees.
Thank you for your honesty! I only intend for the truth to prevail and/or to reach mutual understanding. So please don't feel attacked. If somehow I came off as such, my apologies; that has never been my intent.
No sorry, Fedora Atomic has allowed changes to /etc since at least 2019. Regarding NixOS, the consensus is that it's an immutable distro. The immutability of /nix/store/ suffices for this.
Your notion on Fedora Atomic was false. So, what other 'immutable' distro did you have in mind when making that comment?
/etc can’t be edited on immutable distros
False on at least Fedora Atomic[1], NixOS[2] and openSUSE Aeon[3]..
Which 'immutable' distros are you referring to?
/etc is literally identical to how it goes any other distro; or at least 1-to-1 as on traditional Fedora. The bonus is that a pristine copy of the original /etc is kept inside a sub-directory of /usr. Furthermore, all changes compared to the pristine copy are kept track of.configuration.nix. Though, regardless, it's effectively possible to edit and populate /etc like it is on other distros./etc does not belong to the immutable base.Unfortunately, you've yet to respond. Therefore, I was unable to verify everything mentioned below. Regardless, for the sake of completeness, I would like to give a brief overview of our interaction and how I have perceived it.
My intent regarding this conversation:
However, we weren't able to get that far. This is IMO primarily due to the following:
The points you actually raised to discredit 'immutable' distros:
There is perhaps a lot more I could go over, but I'll suffice with this for the sake of brevity.
My apologies for being persistent; I'm just very much saddened that the IMO great conversation abruptly ended when it was so close to resolution. Regardless, this will be my last attempt at engaging in hopes of continuing the earlier conversation. However, full disclosure, if you don't respond, then I will leave you with a final message in which I will lay out what I got from this conversation and my overall view in regards to how it went etc.
So, without further a due.
I would like to cut the chase and be very direct:
/usr/share/themes, (soft-)reboot and find the theme in the designated folder. To me, it seems, as if you dismiss this possibility. If this is correct, why do you think that's the case? Isn't there more reason to be hopeful considering the mere fact that we're currently able to apply tons of customization that were previously inconceivable?Thank you for your insights! I appreciate it!
It has been my pleasure.
So do I. Though, I think they'll have a big future across the board.
Yup, me too. I trust that at least openSUSE Aeon will thrive (through Richard Brown). And hopefully that will eventually result into a healthy ecosystem in which more 'immutable'/atomic spins (with other desktop environments) will follow.
Technically, it's indeed openSUSE's take on an 'immutable'/atomic distro with KDE Plasma. However, there's a big difference in how much development it enjoins.
There's also a difference in how 'immutability'/atomicity works on Fedora Atomic vs openSUSE MicroOS. Without even going over the implications thereof. But that's out of scope for what's intended for this comment.