Yeah there are lots of bad actors in the crypto sector, similar patterns existed in the US when towns and companies were issuing their own currencies
And yeah the US and many developing nations have old infrastructure, the EU and China have the pinnacles of fiat payment systems, but the roll out for upgrades are low and expensive
I couldn't agree more, it's a human issue. I think a finite transparent currency would be useful since it would squash the worst actors (fraud, embezzlement and hidden budgets, in the private and public sectors), but that's just my guess
I think more importantly is community and having conversations like these because nothing is a "silver bullet" and we should better as a species. Thanks for chatting, you seem cool
The issue is those closer to the money printer get the biggest rewards (according to the US Fed's description of their stakeholders) so as they increase their supply of currency they can accumulate more goods, outpacing the rest of the classes which have to suffer through inflation, which debases their money, keeps wages low and goods prices increase
In an evenly distributed and fully observable currency supply which can rise and lower as needed, there is no inherent issue with fiat currencies as long as the issuing party is reputable and wages increase at the same pace (up or down) with all prices
I don't agree with either of my statements, I'm just asking what people think of a new system. The current ones aren't working for most living things on the planet in their current form, and it would be nice to have new thoughts
Well the issue here is we'd need full observability of the fiat currency, since how I've seen it, no issuing party ever states "there are XYZ units of currency in rotation". Maybe a not capitalist issuing party would be so transparent?
Haven't you seen how every time this has been done it leads to dictators and coups and massive starvation?!
Yeah, it could be a faulty system or we just keep trying it in states that have enemies that don't want it to succeed. I'll have to do more research from more modern thinkers, because yeah capitalism isn't sustainable without heavy regulation since humans are human...
The issue here is according to the Fed, the stakeholders get a 6% return, which is supposed to outpace inflation. So if the ones closest to the money printer get more every year, while the rest lose money due to inflation eating it, it doesn't matter if it could theoretically work, it leads to an accumulation to the class system at the top while the lower classes must continually work forever since their savings are worth less every year
I think we need more restrictions on finances, so our human creativity can effect. What I see is that most advanced civilizations' largest export is literal trash due to excess and waste, so I figured why not have a discussion about it
Also, every fiat currency has failed in the two ways it can: hyperinflation or clout loss due to no trust in the issuing party (which tends to lead to hyperinflation). Innovation has stalled or at least hit the top of the S curve over the last 50 years, with mostly remixes of old ideas that tend to expedite the finite resources we have, so I don't think technology will outpace inflation
I can see this point, but how else do we store our spent engery? I personally don't want to be working when I'm 90 and the current only option is I have enough saved up something-that-holds-value long enough that I can pay for food and taxes (assuming I can own land)
I understand the frustration, but we are sadly dealt these cards and must play or... And there isn't much another option
Gold isn't finite, its supply increases every year and is the main reason for the stability in its prices. Obviously this can't continue forever, hence the finite resources on the planet
Two things you're assuming is fiat can be evenly distributed with population growth and at some point the issuing body will reduce excess supply, neither of these things are common practices and rarely happen
But if their savings is in fiat, and its stated goal is loose value 2-3% annually, then the working class could never retire unless they make every economic investment choice correctly their entire life to have beaten inflation
The issue here is we actually don't know how much inflation there is because we can't measure the quantity of fiat, which is why there are dozens of "inflation measures" which just study different baskets
But yeah, if inflation could be measured correctly and everything automatically updated (wages, costs, etc) then I'm not seeing an issue logically. But at that point it's just a fixed supply of money and prices adjust up and down, irregardless of currency type. That sound reasonable?
Yeah there are lots of bad actors in the crypto sector, similar patterns existed in the US when towns and companies were issuing their own currencies
And yeah the US and many developing nations have old infrastructure, the EU and China have the pinnacles of fiat payment systems, but the roll out for upgrades are low and expensive
I couldn't agree more, it's a human issue. I think a finite transparent currency would be useful since it would squash the worst actors (fraud, embezzlement and hidden budgets, in the private and public sectors), but that's just my guess
I think more importantly is community and having conversations like these because nothing is a "silver bullet" and we should better as a species. Thanks for chatting, you seem cool