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  • ‘Bullets Are Flying, And It Will Only Get Worse!’ Trump Blames Harris and ‘Communist Left Rhetoric’ for ‘New Level of Hatred’

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  • Source for him being a long time registered republican?

    As far as I can tell from here, this guy seems all over the place. He voted for Trump in 2016 but later regretted it. He supported Sanders in 2020, but also Gabbard in 2020 and then Vivek Ramaswamy in 2024. He shows strong support for Ukraine, but he supported Covid conspiracies as late as 2023. Multiple felonies, many of which firearm related, some of which related to theft and traffic violations.

    It’s not like I can say I know the guy, but I get the sense that he has severe undiagnosed mental illness, which is perhaps more important than his exact political leaning.

  • Musk deletes controversial X post on lack of Harris assassination attempts

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  • “Don’t believe initial reporting about any dramatic event. The rush to be first often overrides the responsibility to try to be correct. As with any event like this, some of this information is likely to change as more information becomes available.”

    https://youtu.be/sgpYzFTtJug?feature=shared

    In any case, I heard about the attempt shortly after I started scrolling through lemmy last night, so from my pov the information had gotten to me in a timely manner.

  • Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states

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  • No, she agreed to send bombs for children.

    If you earnestly believe that Kamala Harris doesn’t give a damn about children in Gaza, then I can see how you’d make such a charged statement. I disagree, but pulling away from Israel is clearly very complicated and making strong claims to severing Israeli ties could cost her the election. 

    I don’t think either of us has anything more to say about the subject that would be constructive, so I’d like to leave this at that.

    You're missing 9/11, which fundamentally changed America. 

    That’s a fair point, 9/11 did fundamentally change America. But then, that feels like it makes your point about FDR even less relevant - do you really think America is back to how it was pre-9/11? Do you think kicking a couple extra points to Stein leads to comparable leftward pressure to the Great Depression, in a post-9/11 America? I say, reward the leftward gains the DNC has already made so they’re incentivized to keep pushing.

    It's simple, NATO is the most Imperialist offensive coalition on the planet. These countries hyper-exploit the Global South and defend themselves via NATO. Here is an article on it.

    I appreciate you sourcing your argument, but this article touches on a ton of historical conflicts with very little context given to each of them. The premise is that NATO is a chief and unjustified aggressor in all of those conflicts, but I’d need to do further reading on them. This article is not a good starting point as it’s biased and doesn’t provide citations of externally collected data, e.g. on its claim that NATO is responsible for >10m deaths in 25 years (Is that just from every joint NATO operation, or from all of the fighting done by constituent countries? Who were the chief aggressors in the individual conflicts? What was the justification? There’s a lot of info to be broken down).

    No, NATO is not "just a defensive alliance," go on, have a read. It's a millitary alliance of Imperialist countries. 

    NATO is still a defensive alliance. When NATO takes action outside its jurisdiction, such as in these operations, member countries choose to do so b/c they see that being in their best individual interests. If NATO were disbanded, formerly member countries could still choose to execute joint military operations. All they no longer NEED to do is retaliate against attacks on a former NATO country’s soil. I don’t see how removing that obligation is “the single greatest act for the majority of Mankind that any US President could do”.

    Yes, Russia could have just not invaded, though given the shelling of ethnic-Russians within Ukraine by Kiev it's impossible to say NATO wasn't deliberately provoking it as well. 

    If you’re talking specifically about the alleged genocide in Donbas, then that’s an unsubstantiated claim by Russia. If you’re only suggesting that Russia had interest in involving itself in the war in Donbas, started by Russia-back separatists in the first place, that still doesn’t even excuse every other region of Ukraine hit by Russia at the start of the war.

    Given the shelling of Donetsk and Luhansk, areas with majority ethnic Russians within Ukraine, Russia decided to take advantage of that and cripple Ukraine's military. It isn't "justified," but that's what happened, and the invasion never would have happend if NATO wasn't deliberately encircling Russia. Russia even tried to join NATO, but was denied.

    It’s not that it’s not “justified”, it’s simply not justified. No quotes. Putin has not made a single substantiated claim that would justify its assault on Ukraine. 

    Even if it were justified…why make intervention conditional on NATO operations? If something truly horrifying and unjustifiable were happening in Ukraine, but NATO agreed to stop expanding, then Russia would agree to ignore atrocities in Ukraine…why exactly?

  • RFK Jr says he faces federal investigation for beheading whale

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  • That is fair lol.

    That said if we’re talking less about how awful he is, and more about how absurd his awfulness is, then nothing screams “divorced from the reality of normal people” quite like this quote from his own daughter:

    He ran down to the beach with a chainsaw, cut off the whale’s head and then bungee-corded it to the roof of the family minivan for the five-hour haul back to Mount Kisco, New York.

    Every time we accelerated on the highway, whale juice would pour into the windows of the car, and it was the rankest thing on the planet. We all had plastic bags over our heads with mouth holes cut out, and people on the highway were giving us the finger, but that was just normal day to day stuff for us.

    If even a little of this were true….<insert the words I don’t have to describe my feelings here>

  • Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states

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  • She has promised to always support Israel and aid it in its defense. It's cut and dry, she will posture for a ceasefire while supporting genocide.

    Paying lip-service to the support of Israel’s defense is not equivalent to personally supporting genocide. You could argue that it’s practically the same thing if she ultimately continues to arm Israel and Israel continues to attack Gaza, but I don’t think the blame should be placed on her, it should be placed principally on Israel, next on a Congress that apportions funds for Israel.

    During FDR's campaign, coming off of the Great Depression, the Ruling Class feared a US October Revolution like what happened in the USSR, so the US became a Social Democracy for a time. Leftward movement comes from fear from the Ruling Class.

    My original claim was that if progressives split the vote, and the GOP wins as a result, that’ll shift the party right.

    This isn’t a counter-example to that, IMO it’s an example that the worse the economy is for the working class, the harder the working class swings politics left, which I would agree with. That said, the Great Depression was also a much worse economic period.

    I think an example in favor of what I’m talking about is the 2000 election. Bush won Florida by less than 1000 votes, but 100k votes were cast for the socialist candidate, most of which would’ve otherwise gone to Gore. The result was Bush not only winning in 2000, but again in 04. And in 08 we get someone who appealed moderates as much as he did to progressives.

    My point was not. My point was that pulling out of NATO is the single greatest act for the majority of Mankind that any US President could do. You're shifting it back to Russia.

    I’m not shifting the entire conversation back to Russia, just this portion of it, because that’s where this portion started, and your point about dissolving NATO being an anti-imperalist move contradicts my take that removing the check against Russia is a pro-imperialist move. Also I don’t see how disbanding NATO would be “the single great act for the majority of Mankind that any US President could do“, feel free to elaborate.

    In other words, NATO expansionism and encirclement of Russia despite Russia warning against it caused it. NATO was formed by Anticommunists against the USSR, and retained its anti-Russia purpose even after the dissolution of the USSR. Had NATO not expanded against Russia's wishes, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine.

    Russia could have simply…not invaded Ukraine? NATO is just a defensive alliance, it getting bigger doesn’t put Russia in danger unless Russia has imperialistic tendencies.

    You could argue that Russia feared that NATO getting bigger meant that the individual countries get bigger, meaning they may choose to attack Russia themselves with larger power. But Russia could use that as an excuse to shore up its own alliances and continue building its own military (both actions taken in case of Russian invasion), not to invade a non-NATO country for no other reason?

  • RFK Jr says he faces federal investigation for beheading whale

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  • In an alternate reality, not too different from ours, this guy is gonna be the next president.

  • Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states

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  • Copied from my other reply:

    I’m sorry, but “saying that she’d continue to arm Israel”, which would literally be her job if Congress apportions funds for her to arm Israel, is not equivalent to “promising to give Israel bombs”. The keyword “promise”, to me, suggests she would do anything her power to aid Israel, even if she doesn’t have to. I’ll accept any constructive criticism of this take, but not a strawmanning that strips away the context that it’s literally the law to do what Congress says in this case.

  • Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states

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  • Lmao

    I’m sorry, but “saying that she’d continue to arm Israel”, which would literally be her job if Congress apportions funds for her to arm Israel, is not equivalent to “promising to give Israel bombs”. The keyword “promise”, to me, suggests she would do anything her power to aid Israel, even if she doesn’t have to. I’ll accept any constructive criticism of this take, but not a strawmanning that strips away the context that it’s literally the law to do what Congress says in this case.

    Historically this isn't the case. The DNC only throws the left a bone if they need to.

    Do you have any sources for this?

    We aren't talking about Russia and Ukraine, though NATO did provoke that. NATO itself is an offensive alliance that has plundered the Global South, period, without needing to reference Russia nor Ukraine. Ask anyone in the Global South what their opinion of NATO is.

    This segment of the discussion IS about Russia and Ukraine, because it’s what I raised at the end of my first post.

    In any case, do you have any sources for this? Because from my perspective, I don’t see how NATO provoked that conflict. It was Russia, not a NATO-membered country nor Ukraine, that crossed the Ukrainian border and opened fire on Ukrainian territory that started the war.

  • Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states

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  • Being the VP by itself doesn’t give her any authority to make decisions concerning the Israel-Palestine conflict.

    You can criticize her on the basis that she’ll likely continue the same kinds of actions Biden has already taken in the conflict, which has involved support for Israel, but also some sanctions against Israel, ceasfires, and calls for a two-state solution. I’m under the impression that if Biden was truly unconditionally pro-Israel, that the conflict would be over by now in the most violent way.

  • Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states

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  • She has promised to always keep sending Israel bombs. She can promise to sanction Israel if she wants to regain votes she is shedding by promising to continue genocide.

    She has not promised to “keep sending Israel bombs”. She has said that she would continue to arm Israel, but a) she would have to support Israel so far as Congress continues to apportion aid to Israel, and b) she has also repeatedly stated that she wants a 2-state solution and to enact a ceasefire.

    Jill Stein's platform is a lot better than the Democrats, votes for her pull the DNC to the left.

    I disagree with this. You’d think that voting for Jill Stein would pressure the DNC to go further left, but if Trump wins then it sends the message that the progressive left can’t be trusted to vote for them, so they’ll go back to appealing to moderates. So the gains created by giving Sanders/AOC-types more leverage in the party and nominating Tim Walz for VP (the most progressive pick out of everyone considered) would be lost.

    If Trump wins, he will indeed continue the genocide started under the Democrats, but so would Kamala.

    I believe the assault on Palestine would be accelerated under Trump. You can call it lip service if you want, but at least Kamala has repeatedly called for a 2-state solution, meaning she’d continue to do the bare minimum req’d by Congress as far as supporting Israel would be concerned. Trump has never supported a 2-state solution, verbally or otherwise - the guy even moved the Israel embassy into Jerusalem, against the suggestion of virtually all his foreign aid experts. He has more interest in stoking this conflict than not.

    For what it's worth, disbanding NATO is the single greatest thing any American President could do for the Global South, taking a firm stand against Imperialism.

    I disagree very, very strongly. I don’t see how this “takes a firm stance against imperialism” because Russia is 100% the aggressor of that conflict. They had no legitimate reason to cross into Ukraine’s border and open fire, other than to further imperialistic ambition. The whole point of NATO is to discourage that ambition.

  • Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states

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  • Kamala isn’t president yet. You can call on her to sanction Israel as president, without also pushing another candidate.

    Jill Stein’s only practical role in this election is as a presidential spoiler benefitting Trump, and if Trump wins then Palestine is really truly f’d anyway.

    It also doesn’t help that a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for the disbandment of NATO and the disruption of Ukraine aid. Those are extreme positions that have nothing to do with Israel-Palestine, and many of those interested in voting for her are likely not even aware of those stances.

  • PlayStation's "Concord" is getting absolutely decimated into oblivion by "Squirrel with a Gun".

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  • Squirrel with a Gun is a game where you play as a squirrel with a gun.

    There, now ya know! :)

  • Dr. Jill Stein announces Butch Ware as VP running mate

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  • We’re cool.

    I do have 3 lingering questions though:

    Have you researched Agenda 47, and if so, what are your thoughts on it?

    Why do you support the Green Party Candidate as your far-and-away favorite pick while not seeming to care about Trump’s environmental policy?

    Why do you reply to people who disagree with you if you’re allegedly not trying to sway them and are allegedly only here to share articles?

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  • Okay but, like, why those questions and not the others?

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  • Yeah but, you’re under no obligation to reply saying you’re not gonna answer my questions either.

    Just seems like a lotta work for a person to reply to a buncha comments disagreeing with them, just to say “yeah well you’re not gonna change my mind”.

    Your response?

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  • You could simply stop asking.

    But you could simply stop replying though

    Wow, sounds like maybe you are implying that you were baiting me. Were you?

    I was always planning on having a good faith conversation with you until you said “I cannot be swayed” while replying to people who disagree with you with defenses. And then not answering my question of “Then why do you do that?”.

    That’s a bad-faith thing to do.

    I am under no obligation to answer anything. Because when you first replied, you seemed friendly and reasonable. Now you seem biased and seem like you are trying to bait me. Which won't happen. Because I'm still not gonna vote for your candidate.

    So you replied to me because I seemed friendly and reasonable, but I was still on the side of “I think what you’re doing is not good for either of us”, so you were trying to engage with me and move my needle a little towards your side of the argument?

    In other words, you try to…sway me? B/c fyi, there’s nothing wrong with that. You make swaying out to be this bad thing that bullies do, but it’s not. Moving needles doesn’t mean bullying people into feeling a certain way, it means coming closer to understanding one another, and I take joy in doing that.

    I don’t take quite as much joy in a person who doesn’t come to a table on a good-faith basis.

    And since most of the readers here are already overwhelmingly pro-Harris, you haven't changed anyone's mind. There is no "gotcha" moment. And I'm not gonna vote for Harris. Understand?

    That’s my secret, dude, I’m not looking for a “gotcha”. I was just looking to understand you a little better. Maybe you’d poke some holes in my preconceptions, maybe I’d poke some holes in yours.

    With that said, I’ll ask again:

    Have you researched Agenda 47, and if so, what are your thoughts on it?

    Why do you support the Green Party Candidate as your far-and-away favorite pick while not seeming to care about Trump’s environmental policy?

    Why do you reply to people who disagree with you if you’re allegedly not trying to sway them and are allegedly only here to share articles?

    Why do you keep avoiding the above 3 questions?

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  • I am not. I am merely posting articles that I am interested in to a political news community. There is not deep-hidden agenda here. You act as if I have some obligation to explain my reasoning to you. I do not.

    But then again, why do you engage in discussions with people who disagree with you if to your admission all you care about is sharing articles?

    I'm voting for Jill Stein. I don't care if you want to know more. I've answered what I've answered. Move on.

    Again, why tell me to move on when you could simply stop replying?

    I won't be baited into blowing up

    Idk man, this is a pretty long reply from someone who’s not been baited into blowing up

    And as for your next variation of a question of why I won't answer you: I don't want to and I don't have to. And that's ok.

    So you have no answers to my questions then?

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  • Do you ask these questions in every article that is posted about Harris? Or are you letting your bias show because you are so desperate for Trump not to win?

    No I don’t ask these questions on Harris posts because Harris isn’t a third-party candidate.

    And yes, I would very much like it if Trump doesn’t win. Do you not care if Trump wins, given his environmental policy, and given that the candidate you do support is the pick of the Green Party, aka the pro-environmental policy pick?

    Because some comments I reply to. Some I don't. I get to pick which ones.

    Yes, and you’ve chosen to reply to many comments from people who clearly disagree with you. why do that at all, if not that you want to move a needle on something?

    Because you were implying that I was trying to "sway" people to vote for Stein. And that's not the case. I have posted about other candidates as well.

    I asked if you were trying to sway people on “anything” here. And I see posting about Stein as you have as wanting to move the needle on public perception of Stein, like posting about any other 3rd party candidate would be an effort to move the needle on the concept of voting third-party. You asserted that you posted about other third party candidates too, so I’ll ask directly: are you not trying to sway people to vote third-party, given that you post about third party candidates and then defend third party candidates in comment threads?

    Dude, I'm not voting for Harris. But I support you voting for her if that's what you want. Move on.

    Why tell me to move on when you could simply stop replying?

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  • This isn’t just a place for political news, though. It’s a place to talk about political news, and about the politics surrounding that political news. That’s what I’m trying to do now.

    Why go into the comment thread at all if all you care about is sharing political news? The engagement around that news matters, does it not? Otherwise Lemmy wouldn’t even have a comment section to begin with.

    Did you even realize that I don't only post Jill Stein articles to this community?

    And do you realize I created and mod a sub about MANY different third parties? One is even called "Third Party News." In addition one about the Green Party and one about Socialist parties?

    How does any of that matter right now? You said in this thread that Jill Stein is your absolute most preferred candidate. That’s all I really care to address right now.