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  • But what do we call the phenomena then, if I can't call it supernatural?

  • So basically, you're saying that if it's not science, it's not worth the time?

  • Why is it not a valid argument?

  • Supernatural phenomena does not claim to have scientific merit. You are also assuming that science will eventually explain everything about everything. That it is the only existing truth. This is called scientism, and it oversteps science's proper boundaries.

  • Inability to test something does not prove it doesn't exist.

  • And can still be considered.

  • If they didn't, they would it be a thing?

  • Let me ask you a funny question, and see where this conversation takes us.

    Do you think that the current reality we experience as humans is true reality?

  • Makes sense.

  • Saying that I’m making a god of the gaps argument would also mean that you are making a science of the gaps argument.

  • But we need a name to describe such extraordinary events. If you erase it, what do we call such phenomena? There's a reason why the word exists. Also, saying that I'm making a god of the gaps argument would also mean that you are making a science of the gaps argument, where you assume that science will always have an answer, and that it is the only truth. It's why I believe that it's best to sit on the fence on this topic, your mind being open to ideas of supernatural phenomena, as you still consider rational scientific explanations.

  • But we still need the word "supernatural" to describe such things. Otherwise, what do we call the phenomena?

  • The reason why you don't see in supernatural phenomena is because those who experience it don't report it, because of the stigmatization surrounding the subject. If you say you saw something supernatural and reported it, people will ridicule you, or call you crazy. If video evidence is provided, it's fake or edited. There are however videos featuring things that cannot be explained rationally, opening the door to potential supernatural explanations.

  • Of course, there are rational explanations to things that people think are supernatural, but some things transcend rational explanations, and remain unexplained. This is where we may start to consider the supernatural.

  • Yes, that's what I meant.

  • Higher power = some kind of god or creator. Supernatural phenomena = anything that transcends/defies the laws of nature.

  • You look at it too literally, but yes, that's what it looks like. It's actually a symbolic painting supposed to represent the pursuit for mystical knowledge.

  • I disagree. You seem to be unfamiliar with the definition of supernatural. Supernatural is anything that transcends the laws of nature. Not things that can't be observed or explained. Something that defies the laws of nature is not natural now, is it?