Trying2KnowMyself

The way the boss touches Gabi just leaves me so incredibly squicked out.

Sorry, not trying to be abrasive about this - shitty wording got called out and it remains shitty regardless of how we interpret the author’s exact intent. Regardless of whether the author says poor or working class, they’ve taken a statement that started out with some insight and watered it down into meaninglessness.

Ok, how many people working in the average kitchen would you estimate are not “poor”? I’m happy to accept that they’re using it as a euphemism, but who exactly are they distinguishing as more precarious in their employment working in a kitchen than other people working in a kitchen?

In the average kitchen, how many people would you estimate are not working class? Maybe there’s one person out there who’s choosing it not because it’s necessary for survival, but because even though they don’t really need to work, they just love their boss that much, but once we find them, counting to 2 is going to get pretty difficult.

Jahquari is organizing future pop-ups with the same crew that walked out alongside him.

Sounds like they’ve at least managed decent support for each other so far, though I haven’t tried to dig up what the current state of things is, given we’re presumably about a month out from when this happened.

Hah. I think in that sentence the article way trying to convey that some labor is more disposable, but as soon as they add working class in, I do think they’ve removed the distinction they intended to make.

I almost posted this to !bloomer@hexbear.net but figured assault & everyone getting fired might not mesh with “no gloom”.

Nah, that’s this one:

The creator of the catgirl/doggirl emoji series also made some catboy emojis, but the dogboy ones are all sticker-sized instead of emoji sized.

I finally made time to read through the first link with a large list of ableist terms - it is clear up front that:

Many of the words and phrases on this page […] may not actually be hurtful, upsetting, retraumatizing, or offensive to many disabled people.

And we can see that even playing out in the comments on this post where there’s disagreement about at least one of the listed terms.

Setting that aside, though, what struck me the most was a blurb about words I used in this thread - and no, I don’t mean “blind”:

-Phobic (examples: homophobic, Islamophobic)
Appropriates description of a specific mental illness / psychosocial disability, frequently to describe hatred, fear, bigotry, or oppression, or else to describe something disliked or unpleasant. This is not ableist when it refers to someone who actually has a phobia such as agoraphobia, claustrophobia, emetophobia, etc.
Consider instead: anti-Muslim, queer-antagonistic, fatmisia, bigotry against, bias against, hate of, prejudice against, oppressive, etc.

I’m certainly open to hearing other opinions, but in this case I don’t think I can be convinced that this is actually ableist. Phobia/phobic are very commonly used suffixes and the fact that they’re used in a psychiatric context is just a result of being derived from Greek. I’m sure I could dig up other suffixes commonly used in medical contexts that are derived from Greek or Latin that don’t appear on this list but are similarly also used outside of them.

frequently to describe […] fear

That’s literally what the suffix means.

hatred, […] bigotry, or oppression

I’d argue these aren’t separate from the irrational fear, but derived from them. In the psychiatric contexts, hatred of the feared thing is often also a manifestation of the phobia.

-misia as an alternative suffix

Yes, this more accurately describes hatred. Yes, hatred is a major component of what these words are often describing, but again, I would argue that this is hatred that arises from a fear of things which are different. I’m not opposed to using this suffix, but I don’t think phobia is an inaccurate suffix nor misappropriated when used in non-medical contexts.

Gonna copy a couple definitions:

-phobia

noun combining form

exaggerated fear of
intolerance or aversion for

-phobia

a combining form meaning “fear,” occurring in loanwords from Greek (hydrophobia ); on this model, used in the names of anxiety disorders that have the general sense “dread of, aversion toward” that specified by the initial element (agoraphobia ); on the same model, used in words that name hostility toward a thing or idea, or a specific group, with the sense “antipathy toward or dislike of, disrespect or disdain for” the object or people specified by the initial element (technophobia ;xenophobia ).

-phobia

Used to form nouns meaning fear of a specific thing.e.g. claustrophobia 
Used to form nouns meaning hate, dislike, or repression of a specific thing.

All of these, IMO, back up the usage in both psychiatric and non-psychiatric contexts.

I tried searching for " lame " earlier and the very first result was for “blame”

This reply isn't meant to drag you

I asked for this feedback - I maybe didn’t do a great job of expressing it this way, but this was the perspective I wanted to hear. I don’t care so much whether I’m being “only a little bit ableist” vs “horrifically ableist” - both would be something I’d want to correct, even if the levels of harm I’m causing aren’t necessarily the same in each case.

When someone is “a little bit homophobic” or “a little bit transphobic” I am more willing to help them understand how their views/words/actions are harmful, if I think I can actually get through to them, but it doesn’t make whatever they said/did to make me see them that way hurt all that much less than when someone is blatantly so. If I’m not ok with “a little bit” when I feel impacted by it, I shouldn’t be ok with it just because I’m only impacting others.

you are using the concept of "seeing" as a placeholder for awareness. Thus, the implication of using blind in this sense is that blind people lack awareness
your phrasing unintentionally implied that blind people are unaware/oblivious/ignorant

Thanks, this resonates well - I get how my use is metaphorical while the example of non-ableist usage from the OP is not, and while I failed to recognize it as ableist in the same way as the “clearly ableist” example, it is actually still implying the exact same messages about blindness.

I very recently used one of the example words from your post in a way that didn’t feel ableist to me:

uses blind in maybe an ableist way

Maybe [my upbringing] had more impact [on my politics] than I recognize and I just am blind to it.

Looking back on it, I could have either left off the last part or phrased it differently, maybe “and I just don’t realize it.” and going forward that seems like a better route than trying to determine whether I’ve used it in an ableist way or not when the context isn’t clearly on the acceptable side, but I’m still interested in feedback if anybody is willing: the way I used it feels to me like it sits somewhere between the example of derogatory usage and acceptable. Was my usage ableist?

“I’m totally on board with imperialism except when you do it to the EU”

I have a weird sense of déjà vu.

Plenty of refuseniks are liberal Zionists or otherwise don't meaningfully oppose the occupation

Before sharing this, I did check on whether there was actual moral objection in this case - it seemed like there is.

Kids don’t often have the agency to choose not to live in an apartheid state or do much beyond the bare minimum. I certainly hope that Yuval Peleg will take more meaningful steps now - if he stops at having gotten out of serving, the criticism is 100% deserved.

“I’m totally on board with imperialism except when you do it to the EU”

How do I get in on this? I’ve been trying to get into usefulmaxxing for a while.

You’re getting paid?

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