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  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • Crimea was in the USSR, no? So it's been 30 years since the area which is now Russia had control of Crimea. I have no idea how long ago is too long, but probably a human lifespan maximum is reasonable. Part of the calculus I'm using is literally just "can the country win a war for the area?". Which is why Alaska is not debatable. Like, Russia really wants Crimea, they will most likely win the war eventually, why not let them have it if it means ending the war? If they were to then try to take more land, that's when we put our foot down. Sure it's a bad precedent, but who says we have to follow precedent? It's really just America that cares about Russia not getting stronger, the rest of the world should want all of Russia, China, and America to be roughly equal.

    If Alaska is a great starting point for invasion, then we definitely should not let them take Alaska.

  • Shamima Begum: Woman who joined ISIS as a teen loses challenge against the removal of her UK citizenship

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  • You see, I agreed with your first section. But given your 2nd section, now I question the 1st as well. Hamas does not want to genocide anybody except the people genociding them. Which is an extremely obvious reaction to genocide. Jews wanted to kill all Nazis, were the jews calling for genocide? Would you have both sides the victims of the Holocaust like you are the victims of the current genocide?

    I'm pretty sure your 1st section is still correct, but when you're right about stuff, don't follow it up with bullshit, it just brings the rest into question.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • I see what you're saying, but it's still a lie to claim most people who support Russia online are shills. The number of people who call me a shill, on a wide variety of topics, has shown me that it's an argument only used by idiots and the intellectually dishonest. Literally every topic where the American position is wrong, people call you a shill for disagreeing with America. To be clear, both America and Russia are bad countries, and the question of which is worse is pretty close. So suggesting that someone is a shill simply because they think that in one particular area, America is worse than Russia, is intellectually dishonest. Like, right now America is clearly worse, because of the genocide. 2 years ago Russia was clearly worse, because of Ukraine. The war certainly isn't good, but it's not as bad or as unjustifiable as people say.

    You should not believe western corporate media, and even moreso western media about russia, unless it's independent. I'm sure Russian media is as bad as American media, I just never see it due to not speaking Russian. The opposite of propaganda is not different propaganda.

  • Shamima Begum: Woman who joined ISIS as a teen loses challenge against the removal of her UK citizenship

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  • Damn, I really should have explicitly formulated that comment as a question asking whether my current beliefs are wrong, rather than stating incorrect opinions as a fact. Wait, hold on a second... I did do that!

  • Shamima Begum: Woman who joined ISIS as a teen loses challenge against the removal of her UK citizenship

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  • At least in my opinion, Hamas is the good guys. They are also labeled as an extremist group. So are we actually wrong to say ISIS is universally bad? I mean, both groups took power is response to foreign invaders just full on wrecking their shit constantly. Both groups employed Gorilla warfare to most effectively damage a far superior military. I've been recognizing more and more lately that America is almost always the bad guys in wars. So does that imply that ISIS was actually the good guys?

    Edit: Nope, we are not wrong for saying ISIS is bad. Thanks for the confirmation.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • Oh, of course, that sure is a meaningful difference. My mistake though, please re-read my comment but replace the word bot with troll.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • Of course I can't prove that he won't do it in the future, did you think that was possible? Hitler did not do it once, he did it many times. I am choosing to believe Putin that the first one is the only one, because it makes a ton of sense for Russia to want to control that territory.

    Wait, you think the US hasn't started literally every war they've been in since 1945? Then why are they on enemy soil literally every time? The only one that it's defensible for you to be wrong about is the Iraq war, because most people don't know about all the war crimes we were doing over there in the 90s. How exactly did the Vietnamese provoke us from all the way across an ocean though? Or Afghanistan from even farther?

    Obviously I wouldbt give up 1/5 of my country. Is that supposed to be a gotcha? I was saying the fact that they're not even trying to take 20% of one country makes it pretty outlandish to claim they're on the path to world domination.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • Come up with an argument that is not obviously a fallacy, and get back to me. And LOL at voter self interest being described as the definition of a rigged election.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • The best way to tell that someone thinks you're actually right is when they break out the "everybody else is a bot" argument. It's massively cringe at this point, cause you're intentionally believing something absurd rather than face valid criticism.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • How is the other side worse? How many foreign leaders have they assassinated? How many elections have they rigged? How many authoritarian warlords have they armed in order to destabilize governments? All of those things have historically (back to 1950) been done by USA. I agree that everyone should follow the same rules, whenever America decides to start following them, they should let us know.

    World politics is not Us or Them. Claiming that we have to do the bad things or else they'll be done to us is literally the logic of abusers.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • So why is it acceptable for America to stage coups, rig elections, and assassinate leaders covertly, but not okay for Russia to try to take control of an area openly? America declared their puppet the president of Venezuela (in spite of Maduro winning a legitimate election) like 5 years ago. You might say "but less blood shed!", but Pinochet sure as hell shed a lot of blood when the CIA installed him. And venezuala was economically ruined by the CIA in the 70s. So if we're looking at means, if I'm a civilian in Ukraine, I'd rather have our army fight Russias army openly, than have America take power via subterfuge and destroy us from the inside. The Russia style doesn't directly attack civilians, unlike the US method.

    Control of the black sea is universally useful. Imagine if Russia could threaten a sea invasion of Israel if they keep up the genocide. Or be supplying Gaza with the food Israel keeps out. Militarily, it's not about getting out of the black sea, it's about exerting your strength on the adjacent land.

    Alaska was never meaningfully Russian, the natives and the cities built there have nothing to do with russia. Not so for Crimea.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • Putin gets democratically elected, what other definition of democratic is there?

    Why are you just assuming that Russia acquiring Ukraine would even be a bad thing? Ukraine was certainly more powerful as the USSR. The only people who it would be bad for are the current Ukraine govt. But as for the people of Ukraine, why shouldn't they be part of the USSR again?

    But please, keep telling me how reunification of USSR is the same thing as fucking WW2.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • So they've invaded 4 places, all of which directly border them, in 40 years? That doesn't seem very dictator-like or authoritarian to me. Why are we supposed to be inherently against former USSR abortion into Russia? Seems to me like it'd be a good thing for all involved

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • The black sea is vastly important strategically and economically. Which means it is entirely believable that Russia primarily wants control of it. I'm sure Putin believes the former USSR was all better off before dissolution, I can't blame him for trying to reunify. If Russia spends the next 30 years doing so, is that really a problem? It's certainly not anything close to Hitler or WW2.

    Saying Russia can't have Crimea is, to me, trying to say they can't be a competitor for the position of Top Dog. Its delusional, they obviously are one, but America is trying too hard to neuter them so they have to deny it. America needs to let them be as powerful as they are, and stop trying to cheat rather than compete.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • I really don't know enough about black sea geography to say what is actually necessary, but needing control of crimea for various shipping reasons rings very true to me. I live near Seattle/Tacoma, and we have 2 ports even though you have to literally go past Seattle's port to get to Tacoma's (by sea, obv). More ports is better in all ways. They need control of the northern black sea so they can control the northern black sea. It's a very important sea.

    Personally, I would actually prefer if there were soldiers stationed at polling places, mostly to convince MAGA people that the election really was legitimate. There is also a non-zero potential for violence or even terrorism at them, and I obviously don't trust US cops to prevent violence.

    It's not as if the 2nd world war breaking out was a big surprise to an ordinary person in 1939. If Putin had further plans, we would know it. If he starts targeting more places, and ones that aren't obviously critical to their economy, then we can worry. I mean, at their current pace of "global domination", Putin will have died of old age before they even get to Munich.

    France used a similar tactic as Russia in the 1770s, and in the long run it worked out tremendously for both France and USA (Less so for the french king at the time, Louis XVI. It was a big part of why he got guillotined). It's a great tactic, I'm certainly not going to criticize them for using it.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • That claim is highly speculative at best. Russia hasn't invaded anyone else in the last, what, 50 years?

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  • Agreed, we need to stop being the top dog, and start coexisting with Russia and China as equals. There is zero reason we need anyone to not trade with China, or why we need to be the "world police". It's gotten us nothing but inequality and terrible life outcomes, we NEED to stop trying to make it happen.

  • ‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war

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  • Oh, is America no longer supporting Ukraine? News to me. If that were true, that'd be great. If Ukraine can win their war without us, more power to them, seriously. I hope they win. As long as America is uninvolved, I'm happy. The east is more than welcome to settle border disputes on their own.

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  • Taking 10% of Ukraine in order to control a highly important sea refutes me?