when Europeans do it there's a million excuses, when any single individual or small minority from anywhere else outside the West else does the stealing, even within their own border, obviously it is inherent to their ethnicity and culture, a reflection of their entire country and lineage, past and future...
is there a conveniently sized box that fits all the libs from that thread? If so, I have a follow-up question about the shipping fees to the edge of the milky way..
They're not genetically or intrinsically evil, and I haven't seen anyone in lemmy (.ml, .hexbear or grad') thus far suggest the idea if that's what was meant by socialist spaces (if not, ignore this part)..
Europeans' "uniquely evil" part are in thanks to their geography and other material conditions, which were largely shaped by wrecking and disfiguring more than half the planet (so basically both, but the latter cyclically enriches the former and neither are compartmentalized if that makes sense).
So naturally, reactions from leftist spaces to this will vary, an overwhelming majority of which are absolutely reasonable. It doesn't help their case that Europe, with spearheading by the U.S., a settler-colony of their creation that they do not attribute as a settler-colony (settler-colonialism + time = totally legitimate state), continues to deprave and violate the sovereignty of the majority of the Global South via invasions, debt-traps, and genocide today.
On a socio-economic level, Europeans, including European settlers from e. g. the U.S. and the Commonwealth mind you, are also afforded privileges and treats that are just beyond the scope of imagination for many people in the Global South.
Today, Europeans generally can travel almost anywhere in the world (with a red carpet and open arms), they have almost an unlimiting access to healthcare, education, technology, food security, shelter etc.. limited only by their states' dwindling colonial reach, they can pursue whatever interests they may have, they can commit crimes within and outside their borders with punishment ranging from next to nothing to a slap on the wrist compared to crimes commited by non-white people (even when sentencing is given by a Global South country!), they do not have to justify their presence amongst the "others" (if the questions "Why are you here?" and "Why did you come here?" seem familiar, you'll know what I mean), they do not have the same uphill struggle of having to dispel hundreds of years of actively harmful mischaracterizations and racist depictions of your place of origin/ethnicity (e.g. Orientalism) every time they interact with someone unfamiliar with their background (and there a lot of someones to go through), you get the idea.
There are also two (of the sameish) things that aren't necessarily unique to Europe, but their variant are absolutely 100x detestable over anything I've seen: European denialism and whitewashing. I'm talking about things ranging from softer rose-tintedness like "these aren't applicable to country X in Europe because it isn't a Western European country" / "My [European] country doesn't fit in this description" that we already see in this thread to "[European country] had to save them from their barbarism, actually" are precisely the type of white people that will continue to drive anyone so much as empathetic to anti-colonial struggles nuts.
My point is: Europeans that understand their position, privileges and relation to the Global South and actively seek to dismantle capitalism, centimeter by centimeter, and not just for their own sake, unquestionably exist, which gives no room to the idea of ontological evil.
nevermind the obscenely clear and failed attempt to appeal to a minority group of people they don't actually give a fuck about in their own turf, I wonder how they get the idea that every Arab nation is ruled like the Gulf..
Depraved. At least one of those rafts were probably headed to Europe, would they wanna know why they were headed to Europe or how Europe handled raft-loads of people attempting a last-ditch effort to escape poverty engineered by the West?
yes, oh yes.. Real, coherent, definitely-not-3-chronically-online-libs-in-a-trenchcoat leftists™ refer to men and women exclusively as "males" and "females". Dialectics is when you try to distinguish yourself from perennial liberalism while not actually distinguishing yourself from liberalism.
"in goonmunist Certified Bad Country they have golden statues of the most current Soupreeme Leader, and they construct it with their bare hands!!" or something...
What had to happen to the West for it to become modern?
idk, they just kinda had to will modernity into existence with their epic Western morals and values and Great Man thinking to reach the point where they are now. Or perhaps they've had no choice but to invade more than half the planet, steal land and resources from said land, install colonies and/or client states to facilitate the theft, etc.. Or perhaps the anchoring of "modernity" to "Western" somehow may be, possibly, by some chance, could be deeply rooted in racism in which case not much else had to happen..
extremely obscure by this point but I can't exactly take that term seriously without immediately thinking of the name of a level, that for some reason rests in the back of my head, from an archeological artifact of a game, sprung from a primordial internet:
settler defending and advocating for settlers to do average settler things on an Indigenous population, unsurprising.
I can't imagine how difficult it is in the U.S. (I assume) to make friends when you got loonies like these that only start off benign then go mask-off when they get comfortable..
It might be difficult to grasp at first but it'll "click" soon! There isn't a direct analogy that comes to mind but for lemmy specifically, I think of it like email in reddit format along with its phpbb forum mannerisms.
the .ml userbase is generally strongly left-leaning. That said, there are MLs amongst us, admins of the instance like Dessalines and Nutomic (whom also develop Lemmy) are MLs themselves.
it's hard to put to words, but the instance is treated like the "main hub" of lemmy content that connects other instances via federation, so you'll have users from .lemmygrad, .hexbear, .world (the reddit 2.0 fashlib known around these parts), .dbzer0, etc.. posting and interacting in the same space more than .ml users do.
It really isn't that complicated. All these major EU services adhering to the oh-so-sacred GDPR doesn't mean or guarantee anything in the grand scheme of things for as long as they run their services with Google Ad Services, AWS, Cloudflare, etc...
No matter how many times GDPR violations have been paid for, these services aren't exactly punished for doing what they do when they pay their dues in pennies.
Even if they don't use or embed tracking into their services like "promised" (which we don't even know or can confirm since most of them are closed-source), they're still under EU jurisdiction, any request for data from the service's respective origin EU country HAS to be fulfilled and they can just make up any pretense (e.g. "think of the children!!" and like we see there linked in the article about "Enhanced Border Security Partnership"). They'll also gladly incorporate literal spyware (Pegasus), with the EU's full approval.
So yes, blindly switching from US to EU services, believing that EU services are so great because muh GDPR, doesn't actually achieve "more privacy", it is simply nationalist delusion, you can read every single article linked to see why.
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when Europeans do it there's a million excuses, when any single individual or small minority from anywhere else outside the West else does the stealing, even within their own border, obviously it is inherent to their ethnicity and culture, a reflection of their entire country and lineage, past and future...
is there a conveniently sized box that fits all the libs from that thread? If so, I have a follow-up question about the shipping fees to the edge of the milky way..