This solidifies my decision for migrating my account from there to piefed.social
but I also don’t actively participate in deep political discussions especially regarding Israel/Palestine
Showing your true colours here. By the way, it's not "political discussions regarding Israel/Palestine", call it by its name: genocide of Palestinians by Israel.
I don't particularly love db0 as a mainly hexbear user, but this is ridiculous. They did an absolutely gorgeous move by democratically voting to defed from Zionist instances, and you call that authoritarian. Defense against fascists is not authoritarian, it's literally the opposite.
Europe has explicitly no problem with this. They showed they have the power to censor Russian media but refuse to do this with European far-right, they just want the local fascists to win.
Extreme non violence is actually very bad because it enables the extremely violent to exert their violence. The greens need a certain degree of violence to keep the oranges from murdering everyone.
Source: my homeland suffered through 36 years of fascism because the left in government didn't execute the fascists soon enough and the latter started a civil war which they ended up winning.
Anarchists massacre themselves more than communists massacre them by enabling fascists in power, see my homeland Spain in the Spanish civil war. I wish we had had communists instead of Anarchists...
Only there's no greenish party, there's only orange and 99% orange 1% green, and the orange-greenist is a 99 year old person running 99% orange policy to appeal to moderate oranges
Tl;Dr: "ideology is tribal bullshit!" I repeat to the fascist militarized police as they force me to dig a grave at gunpoint
Least politically educated comment I've seen all week, and that's saying a lot. "Ideology is bullshit" no it's not. Being able to rally together behind common ideals, with common concrete goals and concrete policies to achieve such goals is actually a good thing. "I have no ideology" is not what saved Europe from fascism in WW2, and you're not going to convince fascists not to shoot trans people just by telling them "give up your ideology".
Political ideologies should be discussed extensively, and they consistently are, it's literally the reason why leftist infighting is a thing. It's precisely the "apolitical centrists" who enable all the horrors of capitalism, saying "I have no ideology" is simply synonym with "I don't care if things remain as they are", and in the face of fascism and ecological disaster this is a horrible idea.
The democrat murders the Palestinians, Iranians, Libyans, Syrians, Cubans, Venezuelans and black people just to postpone the election of Republicans by 4 years, hence the loop. The socialist meanwhile tries to dismantle the orphan crushing machine.
Not potential, measurable and factual, sustained 15% growth in industrial output yearly, with it being the only defense possible against the upcoming imperialist invasion. You keep arguing as if the industrialization is something hypothetical, it's an undeniable truth, and it's the main factor in saving Europe from Nazism.
was worth however many deaths in the Ukranian region
How many Ukrainians would have been exterminated without the Soviet Union having the capability to manufacture 30.000 T-34 tanks against the Nazi war machine? Some 7 million Ukrainians perished due to the Nazi invasion in "just" 2-3 years, imagine how many would have been exterminated if the Nazis had had even just a few more years of occupation. Also, you continue with the fixation in the Ukrainian region, similar numbers of people died from starvation inside Ukraine as in the rest of the USSR.
also, it is a useless thought exercise, but would they have been crushed by the nazis?
Yes, there is absolutely no doubt about this and it's consensus among economists. A feudal country cannot defeat an industrialized nation bordering its lands if the latter invades it. It was not "winter" winning the war, that's Napoleon, it was the battle of Stalingrad that resulted in a turning point in the war. The Soviets were THIS close to losing the war, and even in victory, 27 million Soviet citizens died as a consequence of the war.
plus the usa sent a bunch of equipment over, maybe they’d have sent more, if needed
Your speculation is nonsense. The USA did in fact send more equipment to England than to the USSR, and it is the latter that defeated the Nazis (80% of dead Nazi soldiers were killed in the Eastern Front). There is absolutely no doubt possible that the USSR would have been crushed with Blitzkrieg as were Poland and France had it not been for their industrialization efforts in the previous decade, this is the historical consensus. Stop trying to bend reality in a topic in which you're clearly not well educated.
Food aid did arrive, though insufficient, but as I explained previously, the industrialization hinged on grain exports (the USSR being at the time a preindustrial society meant there was literally nothing else they could export) to import machinery and expertise to kickstart the industrialization. A delay in industrial development due to stopping the grain exports would have directly implied a Nazi victory.
There is absolutely no historical evidence of any intent of hunger against Ukrainians (unlike for example Israeli politicians explicitly discussing starving Palestinians to exterminate them), and the famine also killed millions of ethnic Russians and Central Asians. This is the consensus among contemporary historians.
The Bolsheviks correctly predicted that a delay in industrialization would lead to them being crushed by western imperialist invasion. There's ample evidence for this even in the Western-edited Wikipedia article on Soviet industrialization:
From a foreign policy point of view, the country was in hostile conditions. According to the leadership of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), there was a high probability of a new war with capitalist states. It is significant that even at the 10th congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) in 1921, Lev Kamenev, the author of the report "About the Soviet Republic Surrounded", stated that preparations for the Second World War, which had begun in Europe
That was as far as 1921 but they couldn't industrialize at the time due to the civil war, hence Lenin's "New Economic Policy" which lasted roughly until 1929. Stalin famously predicted the start of WW2 down to the literal year in which it would happen. From a speech by Stalin in 1929:
We are 50–100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us.
This is the reason why the agrarian collectivization was carried out in such a hurried fashion and a famine ensued. There was ample debate about this in the party, but ultimately, the international pressure and threat of invasion was too great, and fortunately the Bolsheviks reacted quickly enough to be able to industrialize.
Between 1929 and 1939 (the eve of WW2), the Soviet Union grew its output by 15% yearly, a miracle unseen in history ever before. Thanks to this industrialization, the Soviets could manufacture the tanks, planes, artillery and rifles necessary to defeat the Nazis, whose explicit purpose was to genocide the entirety of Slavic peoples between Berlin and the Urals. Had it not been for the heroic effort of the Soviet industrialization, sadly a lot of which was brunted by Ukrainians, the Nazis might have won WW2 and genocided the entirety of Ukraine. Glory to the Ukrainians and all different ethnicities of Soviet heroes of WW2 who contributed massively to the defeat of Nazism with their own work and blood.
Yes, exactly, allowing Zionists in your platform is bad