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Literally!
I don't have to re-read your comment because I'm focusing on the primary fallacy that underpins your entire argument. I could care less about all the other bullshit you tell yourself to feel good about Hasan.
Kindly, fuck off.
don't know what the word grifter means
According to Wiktionary:
(informal, originally Canada, US) A con artist; someone who pulls confidence games; a swindler, scammer, huckster, hustler, and/or charlatan.
(colloquial, especially Internet) A manipulator or otherwise generally corrupt person who "games" a system, group of people, or other entity for selfish gains; especially of a political "sell-out" perceived as lacking integrity.
Hasan doesn't lack integrity. Hasan has been pushing the same beliefs and world view for his entire career. And the moments where he was wrong in his analysis, like when he predicted that Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine, he owned up to it and said he was wrong. He tends to avoid making predictions about what world powers will do these days because his predictions have been wrong before.
Hasan is not selfish, as I've already demonstrated in one of the comments I responded to you with.
Hasan does not manipulate because his funding source, coming from his fans, allows him to be impartial when it comes to covering the news. The same cannot be said for Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens, Megan Kelly, Fox News, etc. because these people have to tow the line of the party and follow the direction of the US State Department or else face getting de-platformed. If Hasan is de-platformed on Twitch, he can pick up and move to YouTube or somewhere else and his fans will follow. Hasan is an independent commentator. And if you think he's manipulating his fans, it's only because he's acting in opposition to the US State Department who's doing the same. It is an information war out there.
Hasan is not a con artist. I can't believe I have to state this given that the biggest con artist in the US political system is the man currently at the top, which happens to be Hasan's largest opponent. Hasan makes it his mission to debunk what Trump says and cut through the lies he spews. If you think Hasan is a grifter but ignore the reality of Trump, then I have no other conclusion to make than to think you're a conservative in sheep's clothing, disguised as a progressive that actually wants to undermine the movement, or an enlightened centrist that tries to do "both sides" apologizing. Not going to cut it on Lemmy of all places.
Kindly, fuck off.
Cooperatives and unions are the future!
Yes, it does.
Bro, you're doing the classic "socialist = poor" fallacy. That's not even true. Owning the means of production isn't mutually exclusive with being rich. If the means of production people own create products people want in high demand, then the principles of economics still apply. People still make tons of money. This is what's called market socialism, and it's doing quite well in China.
Your fundamental principle is completely backwards. Until we work on that, every other fallacy of yours will follow.
example of a grifter
BEN SHAPIRO ISN'T A GRIFTER. Grifters update their views to follow what popular because that nets them the most income. Well, what's popular now in right wing media is anti-Semitic fascism that even extends to Israel, which fundamentally goes against what Shapiro believes. This is why Shapiro has been distancing himself from the mainstream Right.
Shapiro USED to be a grifter which got him fame in the right wing world. But now he's sticking to his beliefs so hard that it's actually harming his fame because the right keeps moving farther to the right, beyond what Ben finds acceptable. He barely gets any motion on social media anymore, instead pivoting to centrist media.
Your original point was that it's possible to be both a grifter and have consistent views. You brought up Ben Shapiro as evidence to substantiate your claim. What you don't realize is that Ben Shapiro is ass these days, and not a good example. Because you gave a bad example which didn't support your beliefs whatsoever, I'm inclined to believe the OPPOSITE of your claim which is to say that grifters CANNOT stay consistent with their views. Hasan has been consistent for his entire political career, so he doesn't grift.
Got it? Got it.
I genuinely don't care about the current status of Ben Shapiro.
Yet you brought him up, probably because you thought it'd help your argument.
Keep coping elsewhere, keyboard warrior libtard. In the meantime, there's a socialist movement brewing outside. Maybe you should leave your mom's basement for once, touch grass, and join in. You'll have a lot more impact than whatever the fuck you're trying to do on Lemmy.
Hasan buying a Porsche Taycan, a house in LA, and high line clothing doesn't mean he's a grifter. Hell, it doesn't even contradict his being a socialist.
Hasan gets his money from his fans. He doesn't own stocks. He isn't invested in real estate or any other industry aside from the one he obviously gets most of his funding from: political commentary. He doesn't rug pull his followers by introducing cryptocurrency or NFTs, which many if not most grifters have done, including Trump. Hasan doesn't acquire capital in any way a "normal" capitalist would. His getting funding from his fans actually allows him to stay independent as a political commentator and be free from corporate main stream media and the US State Department pushing American-first propaganda. There are many benefits to being funded by his fans. He just has so many fans that people mistake that for his being a millionaire. He is, but being a millionaire in West Hollywood doesn't mean he lives an extravagant life. If you want to criticize him for that, then criticize all of West Hollywood and California in general for making housjng that expensive. You choosing not to shows your bias.
Hasan likes cars. Hasan likes clothes, so much so that he started his own clothing company that just so happens to be union owned and operated. You say that his clothing brand is expensive because they want to run it for a profit. I'm sorry, but what the Union does and doesn't do is none of your concern BECAUSE THEY STILL OPERATE IN A CAPITALIST HELLHOLE OF A COUNTRY. If Ideologie were to operate in a society like China, perhaps they would be able to drive down prices while at the same time paying a living wage to their workers. You're ignoring the cost of living in California, and instead of wanting to fix that, you're belief is that people should just move away or stop what they're trying to do although. Painful mindset. Also, Hasan bought the LA house at that price because West Hollywood is really that expensive. And you conveniently failed to mention that Hasan bought such a big house because he wanted his family to move in with him so he could provide them a home and support them in general, like they did for him. You failing to mention these things shows your bias.
Hasan has these things, but that doesn't mean he isn't still a socialist. People arguing that Hasan should walk the talk and live what he believes fail to understand 2 things:
- living like a socialist in the US is a quick strategy to poverty because the American government doesn't have things like Universal Basic Income (UBI) and the cost of living is astronomical, and Hasan giving all his money away would mean he can't afford to do what he does; instead, he uses the fame and fortune he's acquired over the years to push for progressive policies like more taxes for the rich (including himself) and a gradual transition to a socialist state; you don't see capitalist grifters arguing for this, they are keen to use fascist ideas to continually fuel capitalism; and
- socialism doesn't mean that all economic spoils are equally distributed to all people evenly; Karl Marx said that socialism is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"; socialism doesn't prohibit the possibility of millionaires and rich people if those people earned their fortunes in socialist ways; what socialism does prohibit is the outsourcing of the means of production where ownership and operation of the economy are divorced; just look to China where this version of "market socialism" is allowed to exist and evolve.
So since you provided evidence that doesn't really make your argument, I'll bring some of my own:
- Socialist Twitch star Hasan Piker raises $1 million for Palestinian aid
- Twitch Streamer Hasan Piker Raises Over $100,000 for Strike Funds
- Hasan Piker's fundraising drive shows that Twitch can be a force for good
- AOC (including Hasan) raised $200,000 for charity on her 'Among Us' Twitch stream Friday
- Hasan Piker makes massive donations to LA-area animal shelters
- Piker raised $100k for charity on Saturday alongside the creators of “No Other Land"
- Hasan Piker is donating all $18,000 he received from Super Chat donations during his first Youtube live stream to The Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights (CHIRLA)
- Hasan Donates $10k To Help Alveus Sanctuary After Flood Damages
- Hasan Piker Unveils Union-Made Merch Brand ‘Ideologie’
- Fear& Podcast Ownership
- HasanAbi Buys People Presents For Socialistmas
- one of hasan's community members was able to partially pay their tuition by replaying clips of Hasan’s streams on youtube!
I'm not going to change your mind. But I will change someone else's on Lemmy. That's good enough for me.
I'm done having this conversation.
Since I see both on here,
Trilium > Obsidian
Even the cis female ones?
All the time.
Feel free to drop evidence that supports your claims. Shouldn't be hard to find since you say he does this quite regularly. Almost all of Hasan's life is on camera, so again you should have plenty of clips.
In the meantime, Hitchen's Razor bitch.
Ben Shapiro
Ben Shapiro is actually losing prominence in contemporary politics, or at least American Republican politics, precisely because he won't grift further to the right his other contemporaries like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes. Shapiro is seeing more spotlight from the American Liberal media these days because he is consistent in his views, yet Liberals are approaching his positions.
Ben Shapiro is a counter argument to your position.
right off the bat
Oh I didn't insult you right off the bat. I rejected your position.
Then you showed to the rest of us how much of a dumbass you were, to which I seized the moment.
Keep coping that you're right though
When has Hasan conned people?
When has Hasan deceived people?
When has Hasan manipulated people?
You say Hasan swindles people of their money. How come he donates so much of what he makes then?
You are a shit-lib libtard that has no working brain. Either that, or you're a troll or bot paid by foreign actors. Either way, your propaganda isn't working as can be clearly seen in this comment section.
Hasan is a beacon of hope for young men that don't have many other high profile male role models to look to, in a sea of Andrew Tate's and Nick Fuentes's. He believes in an alternative to the destructive system of capitalism that most of the world lives under. He is the answer for progressive politics in at least the US and really the whole world.
As soon as the winds shift his direction, you won't be calling him out. You'll be supporting him. And then you'll be the mindless, grifting minion you hope no one will notice that you are now.
Grifters change what they say according to what's popular. They can say one thing one week according to the news cycle, then say the exact opposite thing the next.
Assmanmold for instance is a grifter because he's contradicts his beliefs as he follows what his audience believes the most. Most recent example of this was with Renee Good and Alex Pretti. Assman praised ICE in the former case and said they should do more of what they did to Renee. Then he condemned ICE in the latter case and demanded accountability.
Hasan has stayed true to his beliefs over the past 10-15 years he's been doing political commentary. He's believed certain things especially when it wasn't popular, and suffered the consequences. Good example of this was October 7th when HAMAS bombed that music festival in Israel. Hasan explained the event as blowback of an oppressed nation against the oppressor regime, Israel, that had been committing apartheid and ethnic cleansing for decades. Hasan lost a third of his community as a result of his beliefs on October 7th, but he's been clawing back a lot of those losses.
Hasan isn't a grifter. He's a left winger. And it just so happens that the right wing in America are fucking shit up so hard that the popular response in the American citizenry is to push left.
You're an idiot if you don't know the difference.
Apparently it's $18,000 not $7,000,000, and Hasan donated it all to the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights (CHIRLA).
Hasan is a grifter. Right.
Is there a public source for where you got that super chats number?
Dude, it's literally the headline for this post.
On second look, you're absolutely right. OP are jumping to conclusions.
ICE are racist, fascist pigs. Zionism specific refers to settler colonial imperialism, apartheid, and genocide of Palestine. ICE is just the other end of the fascist ouroboros eating its own head.
Words are meaningful
Then we'll surround ICE. Fuck em