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  • Cool quote. I like Sartre. I've used the "don't believe in words" many times. And I'm not an anti-semite, just so you know. I've many Jewish people in my life.

    But I'm not trying to redefine anything. I just don't want to talk to you or anyone about it anymore.

  • As an outsider with high vested interest in American politics, without a doubt both Kamala and Hillary were better than the Republican alternative in 2016 and 2020, but I would hope they were not the best the Democrats have to offer (which could very well be a woman), and they were rather forced onto the electorate which has the air of unearned inevitability, to say the least.

    The country still should have voted for them.

    Obama was a better choice than Hillary for the Dem nomination though.

  • To begin with, you should use the word 'claim' rather than 'assume'.

    You assume all intervention is violent

    No I don't. OP did when they hoped for increased militarism.

    You assume international violence is imperialism, or creates imperialism.

    No I don't. Foreign military adventures are not always imperialism.

    1. You treat the idea of an actually anti-imperialist framework as an unknowable impossibility.

    You're starting to get to what I was claiming, which is that unchecked power backed by ideology convinced of its moral, ethical or political superiority will eventually aim to spread itself, likely through violence, military or otherwise. Marxism is no different, and the implementation of it in China is not showing any moral superiority beyond what I've seen in history from any other soon to be superpower, colonial or otherwise. We'll soon see how that plays out in Taiwan I'm sure, which will be the next example of China's 'beneficence'.

    I admit I didn't read anything past your three points because your first two interpretations of my claims didn't impress me (so I'm not really interested in how you rebut the claims you made up) and moreover this entire exchange with everyone has been insulting and lacking in any good faith whatsoever so I'm disinclined to attempt further discussion with anyone.

  • Your assertions here are that using violence against fascists is bad

    Nope

  • Buddy if you're not Canadian, then why would I care what you think? Thankfully your politics will have little purchase here. I suspect you know very little about my country and I know that you know even less about me.

    On the topic of discussion, you don't understand my central claim and frankly I'm not sure it would benefit either of us to reach any mutual understanding anyway. To start with, you use terms like 'fucking liberals' that doesn't really suggest an inclination to deep thought on the concept of what a liberal is unless it's in a portmanteau with the word retard.

    Au revoir my special friend.

  • Hahaha I had a typo in the last sentence, but you go off on that if you need it bud.

    The research is pretty clear that there is no demonstrable effect of the death penalty on deterrence (eg https://www.nationalacademies.org/read/13363/chapter/2), and the many other negative benefits would outweigh even minor positive benefits.

  • You're insulting to me and my family, you know nothing about me, and we've strayed pretty far from the point, which was that any ideological regime given unchecked power will with very high likelihood eventually abuse it to spread their beliefs.

    There isn't any good faith left here. I didn't attack you personally, and I don't appreciate it from you.

    Thankfully, as I said in another comment, although I strongly disagree with many aspects of how my country is organized, I doubt your view of how to organize a country will get much purchase here, other than the aspects which are beneficial and which we attempted to integrate, to our benefit. In fact I'm not even sure you're Canadian so this suggests we have even less of a reason to carry on this discussion.

    Have a great weekend, try not to hate your fellow countrymen, or indeed humanity itself, too much. You're supposed to be presenting a morally enlightened regime after all. Not off to a great start.

  • You, or at least many of the other commenters that I was responding to, believe a Marxist regime is immune to abuse of power, in particular military strength, and would never enforce its will. I disagree with that, and I don't need to invoke anything you call supernatural to hold that belief.

    You're right, if this is where we are, I'm not sure there is any discussion I would wish to have. And given the overwhelming animosity I've experienced, I'm guessing neither do you or any of the other commenters.

    None of you have given me any indication of good faith, and quite a few have in fact made some rather abhorrent claims about me, someone they know nothing about.

    We should collectively take this as an indication that there is no discussion to be had here.

  • Not what I said at all. I'm 100% for fighting back against ICE, and although I don't believe going to war in the middle east is something Canada should do, I do believe in stopping all trade with Israel and treating them like a genocidal, criminal regime. That doesn't mean we should go to war with them or hope to increase our foreign militarism in general, which is what the OP was saying and what I responded to. Moreover he claimed that somehow a Marxist state would be immune to abusing that power, and yes, that is naive.

    If you don't understand at this point, best to just move on with our lives. I don't have any more energy or desire to explain it.

  • You clearly misunderstood what I said.

    My family fought and one of them died fighting fascists, I despise them and would gladly rejoin the military to do so, even though I'm almost at the age cap.

    How's your history in this regard?

  • I'm not worried that you even understand what liberalism is, and I know for a fact you have no idea who I am other than my comment history. Yours, by the way, is not particularly impressive.

    Who did you vote for in the last Canadian election?

    And exactly what was the point of your insertion into this discussion?

  • Nothing about what you've said convinces me that a nation founded on or implementing Marxist Leninist or any other ideological principles is somehow immune to the drive to spread those principles through violence or expansion or whatever other explanation they come up with. I can appreciate that you believe that this system is perfect and would never be unethical or immoral, but I'm afraid I disagree with you, and moreover I don't believe we a) start from the same fundamental values or beliefs, nor b) have enough goodwill to engage in good faith. Nor do I have the time or the desire to rectify any of that, even if I thought it would benefit me in any way to do it.

    Thankfully for me, as much as I have problems with the way my country is organized (which you cannot know, and seem to have no desire to know), I strongly doubt your way of organizing the world will have much purchase here.

    I'm moving on and I recommend you do as well.

  • As I said already in another response to you, we're talking past each other. You're not trying to understand what I said and I don't have the desire to discuss it with you. I would assume you feel the same about me. We're not benefiting each other in any way, at this point you're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you, there's no point to continue, so best to just go about our day.

  • Everyone in this comment section is talking past each other. This isn't what I said or implied, it's what others, like you, implied about what I said.

  • How would you know what Antifa looks like?.... They all wear masks.

    To me this guy looks like a Nick Fuentes, Jackson Hinckle, or any other alt right gamer or YouTuber. At the same time he looks like the son of one of our close family friends, who is a wonderful, intelligent and compassionate kid.

    Which is why categorizing someone based on their looks is, well...categorically stupid.

  • Why do you suppose Marxist-Leninist ideology somehow immunizes a nation against imperialist desires or a general desire to increase ones power, which are both arguably part of human nature and certainly part of the nature of a nation-state?

    What is it about any ideology that might make it immune to that?

    Any unchecked ideology will eventually try to assert itself unilaterally. As your previous comments have made clear.

  • There's nothing wrong with fighting to protect people it's the part where you decide you and your friends get to decide who is right and who is wrong.

    As I said before, you don't know anything about me, so don't presume that you do so that you can justify your righteous indignationand buttress poorly formed beliefs. My family has a long history of military involvement, my grandfather fought from Normandy to Germany and suffered greatly for it. Two of his brothers fought and one didn't come back. My maternal grandmother was Osterbeiter and met my maternal grandfather in a German work camp. All of my family hated Nazis with a passion their entire lives, and half of them also hated Soviets. Don't talk to me like I don't understand fighting for what you believe, and don't tell me I don't understand suffering.

    Military excursions in the name of ideology, particularly when they are done by a superpower, very quickly become imperialism. Thinking China is immune to that is immensely naive.

  • So you're not different from your opposition. For sure you've got the right answer, and your might will prove it.

    It's not about me, it's about the principle you're espousing. Also you don't know anything about me, and presuming you do does nothing for your position.

    Edit - Are you also asserting China is not or will never be imperialist? How naive can you possibly be?

  • There is nothing in this guy's history or demeanour that suggests he is going to represent Canada in a nonpartisan fashion. Based on everything I've heard him say in the past I'd say his judgement is questionable, and this

    But Jivani is offering his unique experience as a friend of Vance.

    does nothing to improve on that assessment.

    Does anyone really believe he's going to go and advocate for Canada? Or is he going to advocate for his party?