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@ Pierre121000 @lemmy.ml

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islamiste, car les dernières théocraties le sont, gloire à Dieu

démocratie directe, évidemment, qu'Athènes continue d'inspirer

r\etardataire(, depuis plus de 12 ans), principal coupable(, yay).Si tou.te.s(>95%) les milliardaires avaient fait autant pour le progrès techno-scientifique qu'E.Musk, alors je ne serais pas communiste(, critics : surplus value, lucrative properties, negative externalities, oligarchic influence, neo-colonialism)

https://github.com/dessalines/essays but also, that's an interesting system, close to solidproject.org → Nostr id : npub17gtj29ndk2fpx7ghey62yhg9fj05na0wzz0un9l3d0xmrfcz30fsxmktfh

alts : https://lemmygrad.ml/u/soumerd_retardataire, https://lemmygrad.ml/u/sousmerde_rtrdataire

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  • Lemmy is designed to fail the same way as reddit when reaching the same size

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  • I’m saying Lemmy’s censorship is the same as reddit’s because we still have roughly the same groups as on reddit.I still post to about the same audience or smaller, not bigger than peak reddit.

    If these two sentences are meant to be understood together, then it's misleading to use the word censorship i think, it's more a mix of a lack of visibility and echo chambers, in which case these are two things that don't seem debatable/false.If i understood you correctly, could you expand on your solution ?

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  • From what i understood :

    • When you're critcizing the incomplete/broken system of federation, would it be enough if instances can't block each other(, even if you'd probably don't mind if users can block instances) ? I've seen that same thought in /c/fediverse a few times, along the lines of being able to access a real "All" tab ;
    • Instances shouldn't communicate through DNS because authorities could block it, hence why you're suggesting to use Tor, it'd make Lemmy a.n free/unconstrained network ;
    • You're making a mistake i.m.o. when stating that Lemmy will become censored like Reddit, because you can't have the same Lemmy admins for all instances. So, while Reddit banned republicans and communists, it can't be done for Lemmy(, unless through national/federal laws). You probably already knew that, just in case(, bonus by the devs) ;
    • It feels like the core of your speech ? In any case, i'm missing almost all of what's surrounding it hence the comment above.

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  • What do you imagine the outcome of that would be?

    Depends, i haven't understood what he talked about, and neither have you. What if it's a moderation made by the user h.er.im.self, while taking into account the vote of users with the same "tags"/preferences as him ? That's not his idea but other methods are possible, in any case it's aiming for an ideal of freedom, it's left to us to see the best path in attaining it, and internet is still in its infancy.

    Almost everyone in this thread opposed him bar a few people.

    And they didn't understood what he said, and you're always answering aside

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  • I've read less than half of the comments here, but my main feeling is that the downvotes only happened because they didn't understood what you said, in their mind you want something even less censored than 4Chan, which will lead to something even worse than 4Chan, they believe that moderation helps in healthy discussions.I've got reserves on that, for example mods should only ask for the user to edit h.er.is comment instead of instabanning them for life, and as i said elsewhere our states don't only ask platforms but are making laws to "moderate" the internet.

    But that's not what you were talking about, these downvotes should tell you that your thought hasn't matured enough to be presented as a clear project, like here :

    I will not be spinning up instances of anything. I will seed hashes in bittorrent-like P2P networks, I will put my posts where they fit, I will look for posts from others in the most anti-censorship ways I can find, and I will hope devs and server admins create a version of Lemmy that’s fitting for more of my posts - while hurrying toward a possible future where Tor isn’t enough to make Lemmy relevant anymore, because P2P networks become the only place worth posting anything.

    At first i was furious because i thought that many people opposed freedom of expression, but after reading more comments i'm relieved that it's still seen favorably by a majority.The problem here seems to be that your "vision" isn't clear enough, and that's probably why you wanted to discuss it with others. The good news is that people didn't oppose your ideas

    It's a bit late in France so i don't intend to stay much more online(, and you've been at it for more than 12 hours), even if i'd be interested in your answer because i frankly still don't understand you, sry :/

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  • (you must feel powerful to write that, it's fortunate that the mods only censored one of his comments)

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  • Then ask him if that's indeed why he talked about Tor, i.d.k. 🤷

    His original post states « it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything » if that's any indication

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  • Just like terrorism apologia wasn't applied for all citizens, give them some time to enforce an already existing legislation, they still don't have all the tools but it's coming together.Usually they ask the platforms to do the censorship for them.Anyway, that's perhaps why he mentioned Tor, i.d.k.

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  • Yes you can.

    Are you still speaking about state/national/federal laws ? Because you can't, and these laws expect every platform to comply, it'll probably be automated and only ignored for a while until really applied, or only if necessary in some contexts

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  • Oh, so he wants it remained criminalised - but people shouldn’t remove it from their websites if someone posts it?

    I think it should be censored, and can't defend him if i don't understand his p.o.v. here.But he clearly states that those doing it should be found and prosecuted.

    Okay, and you don’t need TOR to make a lemmy instance where there is no censorship of political opinion.

    That's a difference from reddit where you can't escape the reddit admins.But he's probably mentioning Tor because you can't escape from national/federal laws on Lemmy, and many many laws to restrict our freedom of speech on the internet have been brewing these last years, it's not only an interdiction of defending our enemies anymore(, terrorism apologia).Covid led to many bans, each war brings its batch of censored accounts and medias/journalists, TikTok has been bought, and there's the Digital Service Act, the Online Safety Act, the Network Enforcement Act, ...

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  • I don’t tend to look at people charitably who tell me they want child porn decriminalised.

    That's exactly what someone acting in bad faith would say.You absolutely know without a doubt that he doesn't want child porn to be decriminalised, i quoted him saying the opposite a few comments ago, yet you're more obsessed with turning his sentences in a bad way than honestly seeking to understand his p.o.v.

    That’s more-or-less the only type of content that he’s referring to here when he wants the Fediverse to embrace TOR. That’s the only stuff it could be legally liable for. That and maybe terrorism and solicitation of pirated content.

    That's interesting, because (edit : it makes me understand your view better, however )that's not my p.o.v., and he repeatedly, over and over, insisted on the censorship of political opinions, here as well that's something you really should have known by reading him

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  • He’s been unpleasant to absolutely everyone in this thread repeatedly

    Everyone has been unpleasant with him, causes and consequences

    makes claims, refuses to back them up

    Then he'd be wrong, but no doubt he'd disagree with you and that you're once again holding an uncharitable view of what he wrote

    accuses them of trolling him or acting in ‘bad faith’.

    You're the stereotype of someone acting in bad faith with your stupid obsession on CSAM that refuses to understand what his thoughts are, almost accusing him of secretly being a pedophile all along while he clearly stated his reasons/fears

    What good is there to see here?

    His ideals

    I don't see the conversation going anywhere, and i don't know enough of his p.o.v. to defend him, i added an answer 10mns ago because you're right when you say that CSAM should be banned, and he could have agreed with you if you at least tried to understand why he was opposed to it.

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  • That point had nothing to do with anything. I kept it specifically to CSAM.

    And he talked about the risk of a slippery slope

    Not sure that’s a good look.

    Not sure that refusing to see the good in him gives you a good look

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  • You deserve a better answer, and i can be more clear.In my opinion, CSAM should be banned and automatically reported to authorities, which is already the law anyway so a website allowing it should be banned, and there's not enough will to crack on the pedocriminals on Tor(, i don't believe that people using it are really anonymous unless they use a specific computer), his point was to avoid any slippery slope with simple rules such as "only banning spam", apart from the other justifications cited above, he also writes « I’m not saying we need to pressure France to arrest a bunch of French film directors for scenes with naked girls as soon as Trump or his replacement finds it politically convenient to label such things as so-called “illegal content.” » hereWhat he's scared of is these kind of censorship abuses : when you begin to open the door it's hard to keep it closed.I.m.o. he should have kept the concept of a simple rule, while extending it to include CSAM, or instruction on how to make a dirty bomb for example.You're right to help him see the limits of the freedom of expression, and while i agree with his fear of censorship excesses while censoring CSAM, i also don't think that not censoring it is the right solution.An obvious example of excesses based on good intentions would be censoring "hate speech" or "disinformation".

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  • I.d.k. if you've heard of reclaim the net, you may be interested to give them a follow, and if you know similar websites/accounts i'm interested, thanks for the thread !(thanks as well to the moderators for allowing you to speak freely, this should be a basic freedom)

    Here's one more example of censorship i've just learned about : I’ve already been permanently demonetized by YouTube and had albums removed from Spotify, this time under a false allegation of transphobia. Felt pertinent to add somewhere.

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  • Man you're obtuse, pfff, i specifically talked about two different fediverseW/e, end of the discussion for me, have a good day.

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  • If it could lead to arrests and less pedocriminality, then yes.One fediverse for you, with censorship, and one fediverse on Tor or somewhere else for him, without censorship. Actually that shouldn't be hard to do, i haven't entirely understood his point of view because he only need a few lines of modification in the code(, if it's just to disable the possibility of censoring then delete the line ?)

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  • A better example would be a girl posting bikini pics, or something public that it’s easy to imagine the authorities falsely labeling as “CSAM” as justification to filter the entire person out of political discussions (or do other fucked up shit)

    That's his reason.But again, he repeated that we should make sure that the person is found and condemned. Consider that an absence of censorship could help us to find them, censoring them won't help in reducing the abuses.

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  • I said imprison or kill the people posting it, until there are none.

    That's not enough for you ? w.t.f., people are weird, i don't understand you

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  • You was plural, and sry for editing my comment afterwards i haven't seen your answer.

    You want CSAM to be on the fediverse ?

    States already make it illegal, and that's not what he was talking about(, you should know that, he expressed himself clear enough).