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  • So edgy

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  • The discussion of the security guarantees was to happen behind closed doors after the initial press conference. In fact that's why Zelensky was trying to steer the conversation in that direction to prime the next stage. It's just that he failed so completely in this steering that it should be in textbooks. Simply having an interpreter would be enough to iron out the edges.

    He could have walked away with a deal today. Maybe even with NATO invite in 20 years or something like that. Instead because of his political ineptitudes he risks to lose it all.

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  • You can believe what you want. I sure don't care.

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  • Trump is trying to force a deal that doesn't do shit for Ukraine but strip them of future income to rebuild

    Nope. Zelensky was the first one suggesting the deal in October last year. See here point number 4 https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/plan-peremogi-skladayetsya-z-pyati-punktiv-i-troh-tayemnih-d-93857

    The second part of his visit was to discuss guarantees behind the closed doors. Which is why he was trying to steer the discussion towards that topic. He just did it so hamfistedly that Vance and Trump took it as a personal attack. Any half assed politician especially on international arena could have avoided that. It's all it was: failed negotiation. The fact that people see some kind of inspiration behind this failure is just pathetic misread of the situation

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  • So they curving inflation? So what? The war is expensive, it doesn't mean that it's collapsing.

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  • I'm actually registered Democrat and left leaning at that. Doesn't mean I can't point out bs when I see it even if it goes against the grain of the party.

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  • Him not puckering out is bad for Ukraine. His alliance with us was tenuous at best after Trump got in office, but now he's risking to lose it completely just because he's a bad negotiator. There were so many opportunities to do this better even without saying to much. He's just a bad politician. Lacking experience. His mistake was to speak in English too. Totally avoidable.

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  • Agreed. So I don't understand why he was so bad at this. Maybe because he had very positive experiences all those previous years? But it was because in the past his peers were aligned with him. This is the first time in his career when it's no longer the case and he totally blew it.

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  • Literally nothing changed for him. At the price of being slightly uncomfortable he could have saved his country. Now he condemned countless lives to the death. Because he couldn't what? Sit quiet for a minute? Hold his tongue? I bet any> of those people dying right now on the front line would beg him to do it

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  • Invasion has already happened. As a country leader he has an obligation to minimize negative impact. Even at the cost of "kissing the ring."

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  • Wtf are you talking about? Zelensky was the first one to offer to sell his mineral rights in October. Trump just took him up on the offer. Behind the closed doors they had full opportunity to discuss guarantees. Instead we have this bs.

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  • And? Was it such a high price to pay for his country salvation? It's not a book about good and evil. There are real lives at stake. Zelensky's honor is not notre important than any soldier's life.

  • Trump tells Zelensky 'make a deal or we're out' in angry White House meeting

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  • The Article 5 wording is vague. It states that an attack against one member “shall be considered an attack against them all.” What is quoted less often is that each member state only has an obligation to take “such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force.”

  • Trump tells Zelensky 'make a deal or we're out' in angry White House meeting

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  • He could have waited until they finish talking and say exactly what he was going to say. It came out unprofessional. Not that Trump is professional, but Trump is a Trump and in the end Zelensky was there to ask for support. Instead he tried to demand it. Dumb.

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  • What? Is truth hard to hear, you baby killing Nazi?

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  • Well he sucks as a leader. Instead of negotiating ,he throws hissy feet. What a small thing to say thanks guys what a wonderful administration and then have a real discussion behind closed doors. Instead he just put his country in terrible position. This was so ducking predictable. He could have salvaged it so many times but he chose to be stubborn and now his people will pay for it. That's right: it was in essence his political career vs lives of people. He chose his career. I know those are Ukrainian lives so you don't care about them, but to me that was the height of idiocy. I hope Zelensky is remembered as a murderer. He had a choice to negotiate surrender in 2022 and he had a choice today. He just did what was convenient for him instead.

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  • They are under an obligation to decide what they want to do collectively. If they decide that it was an aggression, then they are under obligation to provide support. It can be exact same"support" that Europe is already providing to Ukraine. That's too say not much of it