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  • Please, not this again.... Personally, I am a lot in favour of communism. But some people, especially US Americans, have a fundamentally wrong idea about the housing shown in the upper picture.

    This is often neither cheap, nor does it reduce homelessness. And it's also not the goal of that kind of rental homes to reduce homelessness.

    That is just normal homes of average people in many places.

    It's not "cheap housing for everyone".

  • Hamas attacked an area that did not belong to Palestine. And the areas they are constantly shooting rockets at are also not the areas that Israel took unrightfully. The idea that Palestine is only defending and not attacking doesn't fit their agenda or their behaviour in the past and now.

  • So you want Israel to be bombed even more and everyone there killed? Because that's the plan of Palestine and Lebanon (which is genocide btw). And would happen if they didn't have the iron dome.

  • Yes, it's really just about how the land is called and who makes the rules. There are Israelis living in Palestine and Palestinians are citizens of Israel already.

  • Hmmmm

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  • This is an honest question, is Wikipedia just wrong on that? Because there they write that Palestine also expelled all Jews and that they moved to Israel for that reason (because they weren't allowed in Palestine). And also they write that Hamas specifically want all Jews to be gone.

    If Wikipedia is wrong, where do you get your information from?

  • There definitely is overlap between them and those who believe in conspiracy theories. But there are a lot of average people who vote for them as well. Like, middle aged, not particularly poor or wealthy. Your typical boomer...

    Many AFD voters I've heard talking or saw what they write believe that specifically Muslim immigrants are bad for Europe. And/or they think that the green party is responsible for them having less money.

    For those AFD voters who are immigrants, they vote for them because they believe refugees specifically cost too much money and they are also against the green party. At least, that's what I hear from the people in my neighborhood, which is mostly people whose families migrated from Turkey, sometimes two generations ago.

    A third group think they somehow get back at the "elite" when they vote for AFD. Like a poor example of an act of defiance.

    I believe that at least those who are not primarily xenophobic are still people we could bring to the other side. We waited to long to ban the AFD. I fear if they ban them now, the next right wing party will get a headstart in voters...

  • Literally every single one of these quotes where either proven as false or the people are not part of the AFD and/or they were brought to court and judged for it. That's all on the site of Faktencheck.

  • Calling for a second holocaust, demanding refugees should be executed, all of this is forbidden in Germany. I don't know where you got your information from but none of this has happened:

    AfD members have called for a second Holocaust … the execution of refugees … the imprisonment of homosexuals … the creation of a new SA … the imprisonment of left wingers in Buchenwald … and practicing apartheid.

    There are Nazis in the AFD, though. They want to stop teaching so much about the Holocaust at schools and they use rhetoric tricks to get people riled up or circumvent the laws around denying the Holocaust.

    For example Björn Höcke (who almost certainly is a Nazi) said: "Alles für Deutschland" (All for Germany) and has to go to court for this.

    I think we still misunderstand each other on why calling right wing people in general Nazis is a problem. And Björn Höcke is a good example.

    The word is used as if you are right wing, then extremely right wing and then you are a Nazi. As if this is somehow worse than being extremely right wing. But "Nazi" is not the superlative of being right wing. And people like Höcke will use this to get people to vote for the AFD.

    A Nazi is someone who is, for example, denying the Holocaust. Or believes in Herrenrasse or something like that. Right wing people simply have to deny that they are Nazis (which is easily done, look above) and suddenly your "argument" is gone.

    That's exactly what Björn Höcke did before and will do in court again. It will again be about whether or not he can be called a Nazi which is completely irrelevant if you want to tackle the problem that is people voting for AFD and other politicians being increasingly right wing.

    When the court says: "Yes, Björn Höcke used Nazi rhetoric!" The AFD will say: "Oh no what an evil man! With Nazis we don't want to have anything in common! He is not AFD anymore." And all the people can continue to vote for AFD, they aren't Nazis afterall. Great!

  • I am not saying they are just a conservative party. I also didn't thought the person I reacted to was only talking about AFD, but the general rise in right wing rhetoric in different parties and the populace. It's also not just the AFD that is problematic.

    Just calling them Nazis plays right into their hands and won't help at all. They will simply turn it around and complain you insult them as Nazis and lament you are just trying to kill their arguments with it.

    The term "Nazi" sees so much overuse, you gain absolutely nothing by using it. In my opinion it is better to directly address and call out what they say precisely.

    The majority of people voting for the AFD don't do the Hitler salute and similar. And calling them Nazis won't change their mind but instead it will do the exact opposite! It will encourage them to vote for the AFD or similar parties because now they can claim you are just trying to insult them and won't address what they say. "The evil left just wants to silence us!"

    Their arguments are easily refuted and that's what needs to happen again and again. While it might feel satisfying labeling them, it won't help the cause.

  • For one, calling every person who is against migrants or refugees "a Nazi" is really bad. I don't know where this originally started, but people seem to use this word for all kinds of assholes.

    Nazis were a political party and in Germany you learn about history of the Nazis and second world war. That's not the same as learning how to not be against migrants or something.

    Nazi symbols etc. are still forbidden and even many extremely right wing people would be appalled if you call them a Nazi. These are two different things. And the inflationary use of the word is really stupid (not directed at you, I see it everywhere online for all kinds of things). You give them an easy way out because they will start a discussion about the word or try to push the narrative that only "real Nazis" are the problem.

    The movement to the right you see currently in Germany has the same reasons as the movement to the right you see in other countries currently as well.

    Not particularly well-off people and/or not particularly bright people and/or just greedy people are scared they will get left behind or become less wealthy if other people take or even participate in what they see as theirs. Refugees and migrants are by far the easiest target for these frustrations.

  • Where are the raisins??? Σ(°ロ°)

  • The thing is, parents get incredibly conflicted messages about this. When a child DOES end up looking at something bad parents get all the blame for not supervising and controlling their child and get called abusive. If they supervise and control their child they get called helicopter parents or abusive as well.

    And it's not only regarding the internet. When parents let their children roam, for example, the neighborhood and something bad happens, the parents get the blame and called abusive for letting their child roam the neighborhood. If they control outdoors time for they child, they are abusive again.

    It literally doesn't matter what you do as a parent, a lot of people will call you a bad parent or an abuser for it. I believe it is one reason why some people don't want to have children at all. It's basically an impossible task.

  • Nah, my father is one of those who thinks everything is a virus, especially emails. And so he installs all kind of "clean your PC from viruses"-software ....

  • You do realise that meat-eaters eat animals that were killed for them to be eaten? Please explain to me how this is more empathetic than posting a meme that triggered some meat-eaters.

  • I am also interested if anyone can tell me the exact time in our history when JavaScript turned from "Don't you ever use that anywhere on your websites!" into "It's basically every website".

  • Quite the shock when Erdogan tried to blackmail his country into the EU. I hope Sweden will also not give in when it comes to burning religious books.

    I would say there is a huge difference in culture and values when comparing to those people from Turkey who are very conservative or religious. We even have some here who voted in Germany for Erdogan!

    But the difference isn’t that big with secular, non-conservative people. It is like Turkey has two sides.