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  • No guys they're like, a SUPER important partner in the middle East. They're just defending themselves bro. That Palestinian kid was going to become Hamas one day. Yeah but dude it's the only democracy in the middle east! We have to support them, right?! Maybe they do some war crimes, but you have to think about how many war crimes we're preventing in the process. Just one more assassination bro I swear this will be the last one.... btw, got any money? I know I said I wouldn't ask but there's this hospital right...Hamas all over it. Hizbollahs too. They dress like doctors but that's just how they trick you

  • Ok cool, then yeah we agree!

  • Next time I will say this.

    DISCLAIMER: America has a two party system. In the current political climate, both parties are supportive of Israel and voting therefore offers no way to solve this issue. Trump is also worse than Harris on this issue. Not voting only helps the republicans, and if you don't agree with their platform, the only rational electoral choice is to vote blue. While you may disagree with some policies, one has to make a pragmatic decision on election day. Voting is a chess move not a love letter. The death will continue regardless, we have no power to stop it.

    Boy I sure wish American weapons weren't being used to do a genocide. It would be nice if Harris didn't want to keep doing that.

  • We can be loud about it - and we absolutely should

    That.... that's what we're doing?

    but don't make the mistake of thinking this is an issue we can solve with votes during this election cycle

    Pretty sure most people understand that. Hence this whole story and the discussion. We have unfortunately learned that Harris is fine with supplying weapons that Israel will undoubtedly use to kill children, and obviously Trump would do the same with even fewer moral qualms.

    I don't like it any more than you do, but this isn't a problem that's about to be solved by denigrating Harris about it.

    Then how do you propose people express their dissatisfaction with this particular policy? I think denigrating someone for a decision I don't agree with is perfectly legitimate. Isn't that what freedom of speech is for?

    I'm also not saying you should be quiet about it.

    You may not be but it seems other people are. The person I was responding to implied that it should be coupled with an election disclaimer. I've had plenty of arguments where people basically say this is "pro Trump" or Russian messaging. There is an incredibly strong implication that we should be quiet about it and fall in line.

    But an understanding of, and a communication of, the nuance involved on our (American) end of the situation might help folks not knee jerk lash out at you.

    Sorry but the word "nuance" here kills me. It is not complicated, and it is not nuanced. You have effectively no choice but to vote for one of two parties. One of those parties is headed by a fascist with sights on destroying American democracy. If you don't like that you have to vote for the other party. If you don't vote it mainly helps the worse guys. That is a lot of things but it is NOT NUANCE. It is a stupid, broken system.

    It's a non-issue electorally because neither side will make a major change to the current situation

    It's a non issue electorally (except not exactly given the large "uncommitted" vote and the risk that people will stay home and not vote) but it is a big fucking issue actually. In real life. Where we live. Shouldn't we at least try to encourage a change of policy?

    I'm sorry, I understand that you are trying to explain why people don't like this criticism and that you agree with me broadly. It also seems you don't think it's bad to talk about this. But then I don't really see what your point is? I understand how American elections work.

  • No, I think it’s a horrific policy.

    Glad we agree. So FUCK HARRIS for continuing it.

    I don't think people need to add a "but Trump is worse" disclaimer when they say this because some people are too stupid to read up on policy before they vote. I see your point though, some people do be stupid.

    But this isn't tax policy or student loan forgiveness, it's fucking genocide. If you don't want to "look bad" you should just not support that.

  • You do realize it won’t be any different if her opponent is elected, right?

    Do you think it's a good policy? Can you name another area where it would be acceptable if the democrat policy was the same as the Trump policy?

  • MBFC is a fundamentally flawed credibility gatekeeper. Lemmy.World loses credibility every day this bot continues to operate.

    Absolutely. It's hilarious that people care about fact checking enough to want to rate sources but apparently extend no skepticism whatsoever to these ratings. "Let's just ask that one dude and go with whatever he says, I'm sure it'll be fine"

  • Here you go, bot:

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab

    Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER

    Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL

    Country: United Kingdom

    Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE

    Media Type: Website

    Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic

    MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

    Only "mostly" factual because even though they have no failed fact checks:

    We also rate them as Mostly Factual rather than High due to a lack of transparency with ownership.

    Translation: we make this shit up. Wouldn't that be an issue with credibility and not factual reporting?

    As always, fuck MBFC!

  • You also didn't answer the question on why you think Genocide shouldn't be a reductive label.

    Seems like they're avoiding answering direct questions about their beliefs or even fully explaining them. Why you might do that is anyone's guess

  • You're so close to seeing your presupposed framing for what it is.

    Please just spell it out for me and stop this bullshit.

    There you go again. I'm not sure why you feel the need to ascribe your brain dump binaries onto me, as if somehow I can only believe the things you make up for me.

    You could just clarify. Good VP choice, yes or no?

    Also that's not an assumption, that's a prediction.

    Not a good one so far.

    What happened to "I don’t really care dude"? Seems like you suddenly care again. When did that change?

    Perhaps you should read more carefully. You said that tripling down doesn't make me look smarter. I don't care about that.

  • I like that YouTube series.

    I'm not saying you're an apologist, but clearly your initial comment laid the blame at the feet of unhappy voters, not the genocide supporting VP candidate. That feels like apologetics. Perhaps you think he would have been a bad choice too, but you chose to blame the left (or "far left") for having a problem with this in your comment, without acknowledging the issue, and that speaks volumes.

    You're a whisper away from baselessly calling me a Zionist. I can feel it coming.

    Lol and I'm supposedly the one making bad faith assumptions?

  • Them: "We don't want a VP candidate that supports genocide"

    You: "Oh look here comes the circular firing squad" ie "these people who take issue with the candidate are the problem, not the candidate"

    Please tell me how this isn't apologetics or playing defense for someone supporting genocide

  • I really don't have any intention to do that, I don't know you. Anyway looks like she chose correctly now. So it's all good.

  • I don't really care dude

  • I'll take "more apologetics the abhorrent" for 100, Alex.

  • People just really dislike genocide it seems. It's almost like they'd rather vote for people who don't support it. The real question is why you apparently have such a problem with that?

    Harris seems better on this and the party is basically united, so why fuck it up now? The fact that you jump to blame voters is embarrassing

  • The video shows some guys standing around some pipes and then an exterior shot of an explosion. That's accompanied by some text and audio. It's posted on TikTok. As far as I can tell, the claims haven't been independently verified, that is, confirmed by credible, factual reporting extrinsic to the video.

    Ok but there are two stories you say are credible just below this, and they establish clear facts.

    So two questions:

    Do you believe this was posted by an IDF soldier, as reported by the Times of Israel?

    Do you believe the video shows the Canada Well plant, as stated by both the original poster and a representative of the Canadian government?

    If the answer to both of these is yes, what remaining reason is there to doubt the video? You say the "claims" haven't been verified but no claim is needed. It is on video. Do you mean the claim that the facility was destroyed, and that the external shot was not of something else being destroyed?

    I am not being obtuse here, I just really don't understand what you mean