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  • There are a couple of Fingercreepers outside of the Subterranean Shunning-Grounds in Leyndell: If you go north from the Lower Capital Church grace (this is where you get Lionel's Set and the Deathbed Dress), there is a small one and later a couple more with some rats and a larger Fingercreeper guarding a Lost Ashes of War.

    Is Darkroot Depths part of Leyndell? Map Menu says no… I say yes! You are literally right under the Erdtree with Godwyn's Corpse.Also fun fact according to the map menu the Shunning-Grounds are part of Leyndell.

    Another fun fact: the Fingercreeper buried before the Dung-Eater is guaranteed to drop at least one Somber Smithing Stone [7] -- this is one of the earliest you can get.

  • Simon >Manus<, whose above the Abyss… Okay, super obvious when you put it like that. I totally missed that. Viewing the fight through that lense reveals all the other details you listed.

    Yeah, I can definitely see Maria in the Namless Puppet fight: The Scissor weapon and the Rakuyo, both splitting in Phase 2. Also in Phase 2 the red glow around the weapon. Also, yeah, some of the acrobatics are kinda reminisced of her.If those two thematically fit together… I don't know. I need think more deeply on the story of Lies of P after the DLC anyway. You can definitely make them fit together with the puppet parallels, but I don't know if this actually meant to appear that way.One quick tought: Maria's has agency still in protecting the secrets. Nameless Puppet only ever had, if it had agency at all, hatred as it's driving force at least according to an item description (I think the boss amulet). So I think you can make the story connections around the characters, but not between those two characters specifically. Maybe, I don't, I need to think about more.

    Anyway, thanks for the story insights and this Lies of P disussion as a whole :)

  • Thanks :)

    Answers:

    1.) Damn, did I miss FS homage elements? Nameless Puppet reminded me, based on the arena and the stance and the flips, a bit of Artorias. Simon looks a bit like Morgott in his initial presentation. I'm thinking about his mid-battle cutscene, but that reminded me of that Michelangelo painting, only here it's not Adam touching God but Simon reaching out to his own divinity, pretty egocentric but on point.

    2.) Not entirely. You don't have a magic system or similar and Perfect Guard seems to be what you want to do in most situations. And also though it has many different weapons you can't access them immediately. In other Fromsoft titles you can make a beeline directly to your choosen weapon. For example, I once fought Elemer of the Briar as my first Boss in Elden Ring to get his sword. In Lies of P you have to go follow the linear path until you can pick the stuff up. BUT I haven't seriously tried many of these weapons even early game ones and I haven't really tried item spamming or the Legion Arms. I don't think a build centered on items would be that fun (I don't know how viable that even is.). Legions Arms seemed a bit dull and underutilized, but I just picked up a DLC Legion Arm where you throw disc blade -- very fun.It probably impacts replayability for me, but on the whole my game knowledge is a bit lacking and even with what I know now I'm probably going to replay it a bit. The promo weapon you get at the beginning with the parry dodge looks quite interesting.

    3.) The last 3 Bosses were each uniquely, extremely good. It might be because I'm riding still a bit on a high, but Nameless Puppet might be my favorite. Presentation, difficulty, and the satisfaction you especially get from this fight were quite special. Cutting of halve of their head and their strings and then the craziness that ensues. Oh also the music, it puts you immediatly on edge the moment you cross the threshold onto the arena and keeps you in the fight as it ramps up.Other than that? I have a soft-spot for Scrapped Watchman. His presentation is decent but nothing to write home about. It's still the early game and we're still ramping up. But this fight made me fall in love with this game: standing in front of a giant boss and just taking his attacks. He has long attack chains that are easy to completly deflect, delayed attacks that are slightly harder to deflect, which also force you to move in phase 2, Fatal Attacks which give you a big attack window when you successfully defelct them. Oh, and he has a grab attack that's not bullshit, this should immediately disqualify him from being a Souls Boss XD. I know he is just a trainings boss and the stuff he teaches is there more extreme in other bosses, but dammit he's a very good training boss. I fought him in the boss rematch feature at difficulty 3 where he has a lot more health, and yes I'm enjoing his fight even more when he can actually take abuse.

    Sorry for the long ramble :)Also I thought Lemmy has numbered markdown lists; hmm it does according the docs, but I only get unnumbered lists.

  • I finished the game last night! Simon was easier than expected. Does he have lower HP than I expected or is it simply because of his large openings? Great visuals in Phase 2!

    And then I made a mistake, since he wasn't the final Boss I just thought I'd look what awaits afterwards. Yeah… after having told Geppetto to fuck himself. Nameless Puppet took me apart. Phase 2 is so brutal. Great unerving theme for the fight. I had to beat phase 1 near flawlessly and then use up nearly all my heals in phase 2. Damn that was satisfying. But it did cost me a couple of hours I should have been sleeping.

    I also just purchased and installed the DLC.

    I'd loved to answer some questions about my playthrough. I'm probably going to write a rambling "review" that I'm going to post here after I've beaten the DLC.

  • I have been playing so much Lies of P in the last week. It's so much fun!

    I just beat Laxasia last night. Probably for me the hardest fight in the game (yet). She taught me: That face-tanking if been doing? Well, I gotta stop that. She can do so much in a single hit, but the real problem is that it's never a single hit with her; she has so long attack chains. I need to watch a hitless level 1 fight with her or something of someone deflecting everyone of her attacks. I was kinda mentally prepared for her to have a phase 2 when I first depleted her health bar. But damn, she goes full anime on you! Deflecting lightning bolts is super fun, and she is so incredibly fast. I'm glad she is way squishier in her second phase.

    I'm probably going to beat Lies of P this weekend -- depending on how much game is left and how much time I have. Then, next week, I'm probably going to start the DLC?


    My favorite mash-up is Souls + Open-World ;) (I'm a massive Elden Ring fan)

    But beyond that? My brain is currently too deep into "classical" Souls games. But I'm really interested in what I know of Expedition 33, parrying in my turn-based combat? Also I bought Hollow Knight forever ago for like 7€. Souls + Metroidvania. That game always gets such high praise. I gotta play it at some point,, even though I'm not the biggest fan of Metroidvania's … simply because I haven't played any yet, but you gotta start somewhere.

  • Welcome… You come often. You enjoy things. I like finding things. I like you.

    I know telling Moore to remain sad forever is gameplay-wise the correct decision (You get the best armor in the game immediately and you make the Leda fight way easier), but it breaks my heart every time :(

    Also if you choose "Put it behind you" and you kill him in the Leda fight his last words are "Sad, forever?".

  • I've been playing Souls games almost exclusively for over a year, and I'm still having fun, so I'm definitely not fatigued yet. And even if I don't want to (re)play another Soulslike anymore, than I'm simply going to play something else.

    New releases generally don't interest me; I have yet to buy or play a Souls-like game at release. If a new game releases that interests me, Soulslike or not, I'm bookmarking it and remembering it in 2 to 40 months.

  • I knew I heard Geppetto's voice somewhere before, but just couldn’t place it. He really has quite the range!

    Blaidd's voice is so comfortable to listen to :)

    Eileen makes me always think of her line: * A hunter must hunt.*It's burnt in my brain in her voice.

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  • Golden Vow AoW and Exalted Flesh and Cragblade need 0 levels invested.

    You can put all of your levels in strength for max BONK.

  • I don’t use buffs, because it would take longer to buff-up than to actually kill the boss.


    If you do want to learn about buffs, fextralife has an actually decent page about Buffs and Debuffs.

  • Cat petting achieved!

  • The Quickstep Skill in Elden Ring gives you immediate i-frames on button-press.

  • I want to pet the cat in Lies of P, but it keeps hissing at me when I try :(

  • I'm currently playing Lies of P, and I’m having a blast! I needed a bit to get in to the flow, but now I'm really enjoying it. The only parts where I struggled were in my opinion, the two best Boss fights yet: The Big Police Man™ and the Archbishop Eldritch Thing™.

    The Police Guy was the point where deflecting really clicked for me. I could have defeated him in the same way I defeated bosses and mini-bosses before then with a hit-and-run style, but standing before him, and trying and timing the deflects to his giant swings was just so satisfying. Guard Regain is, in my opinion, an awesome mechanic: it not only makes missing a defect less punishing, but then also forces you to be more aggressive.

    For the Bishop: I defeated his first phase on my first attempt; it did cost me most of my heals and buffs but I got it done. But that was only his first phase. He then eviscerated me almost immediately. It took me 3 attempts to get back to his second phase to learn it. My winning attempt was very satisfying: first phase only chip damage, no heals used (the big guy is very satisfying to deflect); the second phase was more of a scramble, since I needed a bit more spatial awareness to deflect his smaller body.

    These fights really made me feel that not my character got better, but that I, as a player, got better. This satisfying experience is what Souls games are really about for me.


    Currently, in Lies of P, I'm actually blocking quite a bit. Sure, it's mostly just missing the deflect, but I'm also blocking some attacks and follow-ups without trying (yet) to deflect them, just to get in a favorable position (Guard Regain actually encourages a bit).

    But generally, I'm more in the Dodge & Weave camp. I also got my start in Bloodborne and took that playstyle over to other Souls games. I might use a shield as a utility item, maybe for the buff it gives -- looking at you Grass Crest Shield -- or to parry, but seldom for actually blocking and almost never in boss fights.

  • In Elden Ring, no character cares what your gender is.

    When you marry Ranni, she doesn't care what your gender is. In fact, you can even change it two minutes beforehand if you'd like!

  • For those who don't know, the Sentry's Torch allows you to see the invisible assassins.

  • You don't need to sign up to audiobookbay. Just paste the hash into your torrent client.

  • Why do people try so hard to be beautiful?We cats are born beautiful, of course. Hee hee…

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    I defeated Consort Radahn at RL1!

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