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So I've been arguing with people about this. Seems like a lot of people no longer have any other accounts online except in places that are essentially little digital closets where 99% of content is just news headlines and heavy moderation.
What are people are doing day to day if they're removing themselves from the vox populi and convincing each other to also abandon it?
Doesn't it seem counter productive to self silence by removing ourselves digitally and then go maximum effort to raise awareness in a protest where we face legal repercussions, threats to our lives, career and financial consequences. In my mind it's like if i wanted to start boxing but instead of showing up to the gym everyday and training, I just sign up for a fight determined to succeed on pure anger against an opponent that's trained for years.
I can't square that myself. Only way it makes sense to me is if some right wing group has been pushing ideas like "Don't wrestle with pigs" or "delete your Facebook/Reddit/X account because they're evil". If they have control of communication channels then no matter what you do in person it will fail since they can write and reframe our efforts into whatever suits them.
Yea, but they hold power and we can't pay rent. But let's use our collective anger to left pray things will change
You’re wrong on a few things here.
There are more than enough reasons to be on Facebook right now depending on what you’re trying to accomplish. Personal feelings about the platform are valid reasons to stay off, but they are not good enough if you also expect people to show up to protests. It is callous to dismiss Facebook as a place to organize and use a unified voice while expecting others to take on risks without making efforts at a lower level that can accomplish the same goals.
Whether people like it or not, memes are far more powerful than protests in the current media environment. We have seen massive protests with hundreds of millions of people in the streets and nothing meaningful came from them. Attitudes did not change. Policy did not change. The same politicians are still in power.
To prove my point look at Howard Dean. His entire national political career was ended by a single meme. One moment, repeated endlessly, reached more people and shaped public opinion more than huge demonstrations that required arrests and injuries ever did.
That is how influence works today. If there are no measurable goals or direction, then protests are just something people do to feel like they participated. Some of us think effort should happen earlier and at lower risk stages before asking people to put their lives on the line. Expecting people to risk losing an eye, being arrested, or worse just to feel symbolically united and then go home is not strategy.
If you want real outcomes, you start where people already are and use the tools that actually move opinion and behavior right now.
Your intention is to rage bait. Otherwise what why comment to announce you're not going to honestly engage with this
You made a comment on a post to say 'didn't read' and you're accusing me of baiting
I'm not sure what the purpose of protesting for us means.
Protests carry a significant risk. There are severe financial, medical, legal and career risks. With how things are there is even risk to lives.
What I struggle with understanding is given this risks what is the reward for protesting. If we're asking others to bare these things, should there not be a due diligence on our part to make sure we did everything we could to ensure these protests are successful.
All protests are not equal. Civil rights protests or Montgomery bus boycotts came with clear measurable goals that protestors knew the risks and rewards. Other protests where shit shows like occupy Wallstreet or many of the Iraq war protests where laws were already locked in and there was no actionable goal.
So what i struggle with here is what do you mean protests are for us because it sounds like you think protests should be more like occupy or the Iraq protests rather than any of the civil rights or bus boycotts.
Facebook is going to make money no matter what. That's because there are so many people using it. Which is why it's why everybody but the left use it to raise awareness. I get the moral argument but you still have to be aware of the consequences. Not using Facebook means they spread their message to the average person. If you want any support or success you have to engage and convince that vox populi to support your efforts or your dead in the water before you even started.
You’re arguing decorum after opening by dismissing the post solely because it came from Facebook. You didn't bother to watch it. That’s not principled discourse that’s selective tone policing
Engage with the content. If you don’t want to engage, then move on. Don't come here to smugly dismiss it. But writing it off based on platform and then lecturing others about how questions should be phrased. That's hypocritical.
You don’t get to police comments after you’ve already derailed the conversation.
It was a genuine question. What is inflammatory about it. Some people don't care some do.
.ml crew are the worst of the left. Enjoy the next decade of canceled elections and authoritarian rule while you try to bang rocks together
Yes it is how that works. It's exactly how that works. It's why the right invest everything they have on controlling it. This is basic stuff.
The problem is you here. This is why the left has lost so much ground over the past ten years. You've given up every territory, pulled back to the least defensible position and think you're going to launch some great effort with a playbook that is about as old as an American senator. You're just not thinking. I dont' think you understand this isn't 1967. It's time to wake the fuck up. Protesting is effective but their ability to diminish those efforts are greater and until you nullify that then you're just jeopardizing every effort people make going out there to protest.
That is exactly the point I am arguing. Going out to protest will not be as effective if you aren't able to counter the efforts they will use on digital spaces to smear and spread bullshit like what is shown in this post. It's jumping critical steps in making a proper defense before going on the offense.
We all need better networks and ways to disseminate information rapidly. For people who are not in the area, we can make sure these accounts that are out right lying are reported. We can make content and bring awareness right on the posts they have paid for and boosted with their own bot network. We leverage what they are using against us.
Wait, so then what is the goal of protests? It's awareness is it not. What is the point of that awareness?
But not having a facebook account grows their base so much larger leading to another victory come election time. I don't understand how any person thinks that protesting is effective but not letting their views spread online is not.
You get more bang for your buck every single time with online effort. There's no way to argue you don't. Facebook is where all the people are who are going to matter in the fight against MAGA. Because so many leftist feel to good for it they left and now the right has this red carpet access to the eyes and ears of every single person who is needed to turn the tides on MAGA.
Like you all repeat this trendy 3% rule about protests. But why has nobody figured out that 3% rule is actually about digital spaces. That's why it is important. Being able to overwhelm their content with ours is what will turn tides. If my enemy is investing all their effort and resources into something then I better pay attention. That is online content especially facebook.
Do you even want to help?
Honest question, are you good just passively watching all this MAGA shit spread?
Facebook is a mess, no question. But if your goal is to counter MAGA narratives, it’s still the best return on effort right now. That’s where the misinformation is spreading fastest, and it’s where more people are needed to consistently challenge lies and keep them from going unopposed.