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Llituro [he/him, they/them]

@ Llituro @hexbear.net

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  • USA socialists be like: If you dont give this Democrat uncritical support you are a chud and a grifter

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  • mike's an odd one, his commentary is like 50% more "join the vanguard, murder capitalists, they won't let me say this on the platform so i'm going to spell it out for you" than hasan's but then also 50% more "being too critical of AOC for too long means you're going to become a fascist." i mean, i have seen his commentary being critical of AOC for instance, but he engages less in "join the PSL" than hasan. but he also talks about party discipline more than hasan.

  • Hasan says he won't vote for Newscum. He attempts to explain himself. He invokes Lenin. He says Democrats would kill you for more votes. He says he will work with Democrats...

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  • edit: I actually want to pre-run this commentary with a statement and a question. 1) I think we're actually quite close in our opinion of Hasan, and I'm very much not trying to be hostile, I like seeing you around Hexbear a lot, just wanted to make sure that got across. 2) If you could puppet Hasan, what would you be having him do and say, and why do you think that would be more effective at raising the most people's political consciousness beyond socdem/berniecrat than his current proportions of commentary and engagement with sitting/running politicians?

    One pattern that is clear is that while Hasan dogs on Democrats regularly his only recourse for you the viewer is to put pressure on the Democrats.

    This is absolutely not the case. He most commonly urges his viewers to join organizations and organize. He has told people to join DSA or PSL and to stop thinking of politics solely in terms of elections. I don't think it's reasonable to say that his actual advocacy for people is to put pressure on the Democrats. I don't think he's deluded into thinking that he can single-handedly pressure Democrats into change. But he does know that he is the largest popular voice for more radical socialist politics and the Democrats are significantly closer to the levers of state power, so at the very least engaging them brings his ideas up to them for his viewers to watch these politicians fail to embrace proletarian politics.

    which I can't tell if you've watched or not

    I didn't watch this video, I watched the stream it was cut out of when it was live. I should explain how I view Hasan's content. I've been interested in studying the socialist politics himbo for the last several years, since he is the largest voice espousing a more radical politics than is in the mainstream. I don't have a Twitch account; I don't chat or leave comments on his videos. I'm generally anathema to defend him other than correcting (really, really common, even on this site) misinformation because I think that crosses a line of parasociality that robs one's ability to be separate from the pack mentality. So I am very familiar with his commentary and coverage over the last four or five years, but I do my best not to become invested in defending him parasocially.

    This is a total fallacy however, stuck in this chicken or egg situation where Hasan isn't interested in 3rd parties until just the right one comes along, or until someone else builds it.

    I keep asking, and I'm not sure you've given me an answer, what exactly do you want him to do different though? I mean we're comrades in some sense right, I've seen your advocacy around hexbear, I really appreciate your commentary and what you choose to post. I'm not being hostile when I ask this, do you genuinely think that this guy that can barely organize his own travel and stream setup has the skillset to like start and run a viable ML party or something? Like are you just wanting him to be aggressively pro-PSL and refuse to ever talk to Democratic Party politicians or something like that? You say he's not interested in third parties, but when they organize an action, he covers it. He regularly uses coverage from Code Pink and BT News, and I know you know this. Both of whom were also at, for example, the Zohran Mamdani election results party. He tells his audience usually when a particular protest has been organized by PSL.

    Do people like AOC or Sanders or the squad really bring him a platform? Wouldn't he be mostly talking to like minded liberals in those circles? What is the delta between a Sanders supporter and Hasan in terms of their ideas really? Palestine obviously.

    Yes, the majority of squad voters are not engaged with socialist political commentary and Hasan's commentary is much more consistently progressive and to the left than theirs. He is regularly critical of AOC and Bernie when they do fuck-ups, even parts of, for example, that recent Munich Security Conference speech that AOC did that libs were gushing over. A lot of those voters only encounter Hasan's commentary when he interviews a Bernie or an AOC, and they're literally elected officials. I think it's ludicrous to suggest that elected congresspeople aren't bringing a guy like Hasan a platform. Do you think that when Sanders goes on Fox News, he's grateful for Fox News platforming him because he wouldn't be listened to otherwise? So I would say no, he wants to talk to the liberals that follow AOC and Sanders but haven't had their political consciousness raised any further specifically because he is trying to reach them with more radical agitprop, this has been his stated intentions. The delta between a Sanders supporter and Hasan himself in terms of their ideas is the amount of political consciousness. If every Sanders voter was where Hasan is, we'd have the numbers to build a revolutionary PSL cadre tomorrow. It is also much more than Palestine. I don't think that effectively enough credits criticisms of those many parts of necessary development in the U.S. that Sanders ignores, and certainly is ignorant of his overall coverage of foreign policy. Sanders always starts his milquetoast foreign policy statements of any variety, Palestine or otherwise, with the requisite dehumanization of other peoples and the rejection of their states as sovereign and legitimate. Hasan's commentary always shits on Sanders doing this.

    Yet he hasn't replaced the billionaire head of police Jessica S. Tisch and likely won't, he's hired a liberal zionist as the Office to Combat Antisemitism, and is endorsing Brad Lander over Alexa Aviles. Now that last point is pragmatic I'll say, but you can't help but look at it and think it must sting for Aviles.

    I don't know if you've seen this coverage, but Hasan's commentary on all of these was negative. Do you think he'd make a better difference by tossing out support for Mamdani entirely? I would describe his overall support of Mamdani as critical support.

    Has anyone asked him about Maduro?

    Zohran? Yes, at first he had said that Maduro and Diaz-Canel were dictators. His statement about the kidnapping of Maduro was that it was bad, but of course this is betrayed by his earlier condemnation of Maduro as illegitimate. Hasan covering Zohran on Maduro? Also yes, his coverage of Mamdani's statements about Venezuela and Cuba was negative, but noted that Mamdani's opinion isn't overall majorly impactful since he's a mayor of a city and doesn't have much real influence over U.S. foreign policy.

    Why spend our time and energy on a party that is so capable of imposing itself on those who dare enter its ranks? What good does it do if we drip feed in these progressives?

    To heighten contradictions and raise people's political consciousness. When Zohran does good things, that's a win for socialism. When Zohran does bad things, that's an obvious limitation of these bourgeois political parties within a bourgeois dictatorship. For Hasan's project of doing entry-level agitprop wherever the popular energy is the most left, it makes sense to engage with anything that pushes his audience towards believing that better things are possible.

    In short, I don't understand what exactly you want to see Hasan do different? If you think that refusing to entertain Democratic Party politicians or wouldbe politicians would have the overall effect of a large push left among the population, then I think you'd be wrong. Engaging with these people broadens his audience generally. But he's a political commentator and news commentator, not an accepted strategist for any party, not a member of any particular party apparatus. If the flaw of DSA is trying to get these executive positions like NYC mayor without having the legislative base in Albany to avoid having to make concessions to the NY state Democratic Party apparatus to get the agenda done, then that's on DSA's organization. What should Hasan do different about that bad strategy though? He already criticizes DSA too.

    Again, I think we have very similar feelings on all of these policies, I didn't mention most of what you had to say about Zohran and what he might and might not do because I agree entirely with your analysis. You said that "if there was a 3rd party big enough to engage then I would" is fallacious, but DSA grew itself large enough to compete in elections like Mamdani's on its own, not because Hasan supported them into growth. And then he started engaging with their electeds. But one does not organize a party via Twitch streaming.

  • Hasan says he won't vote for Newscum. He attempts to explain himself. He invokes Lenin. He says Democrats would kill you for more votes. He says he will work with Democrats...

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  • many times, most recently a few days ago while discussing attempted legislative targeting of neville roy singham, the amerikkkan class traitor that lives in china and funds PSL and its media affiliates like Breakthrough News and Code Pink. he's also pretty enthusiastic about Code Pink in particular when something of theirs goes across his coverage.

  • Hasan says he won't vote for Newscum. He attempts to explain himself. He invokes Lenin. He says Democrats would kill you for more votes. He says he will work with Democrats...

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  • I don't know that he has ever admitted to being an ML.

    i think it would be fair to describe his average articulated political position to be a non-aligned ML.

    Not hitching your wagon for another ride, but actually building a working class party.

    but that's what i mean, why do you think the news himbo should be the singular guy to do that? he was in support of a break from the democratic party led by bernie, and bernie is a coward who didn't do it. i don't think it's a fair read or accurate read of his commentary to see him as hitched to the democratic party in a substantive way. are you in a revolutionary org in the u.s., are you familiar with how ignorant and completely unconscious almost every single person here is? he's doing political commentary in a country that is still predominantly obsessed with VOTEing as the end all be all of political action - what would be the benefit of not covering it? again, i'm not without my own criticisms of the guy, i just don't understand what yours actually is. do you think he has a communism button that he's not pressing?

  • Hasan says he won't vote for Newscum. He attempts to explain himself. He invokes Lenin. He says Democrats would kill you for more votes. He says he will work with Democrats...

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  • he was certainly somewhat interested in platner at first, but that interest waned as more and more information came out, culminating in the nazi tattoo reveal. when platner has been brought up since then, the response is a joke about supporting janet mills, the establishment democrat alternative, and nothing further. i think he gets a bit golden retrievery about candidates that are vocally against giving the zionist entity lots of weapons, and especially was at the time that platner showed up. that said, of the antizionist candidates that popped up around the same time, i'd say that piker kept his enthusiasm most distanced about platner. certainly not the deep-throated defense of the nazi tattoo that so many commentators decided to do, like emma vigeland.

  • Hasan says he won't vote for Newscum. He attempts to explain himself. He invokes Lenin. He says Democrats would kill you for more votes. He says he will work with Democrats...

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  • i think it's a stretch to say he supported the guy when he 1) wanted to interview him to grill him about being a repeat war crimes enjoyer but got dodged and 2) distanced himself after the nazi tattoo reveal. just in the interest of fair history.

  • Hasan says he won't vote for Newscum. He attempts to explain himself. He invokes Lenin. He says Democrats would kill you for more votes. He says he will work with Democrats...

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  • If they stopped allowing him to engage with candidates, what would be left for Hasan to do?

    this makes me think that you might have developed an unfairly hostile view of his work, a wrong idea about his own attitude towards what he's doing. when the genocide in gaza flared up again in 2023, he lost about 1/3 of his viewership and a lot of his access to politicians. i don't think he's attached to the electoralist project in the way you seem to think he is. the democrat party establishment also has its own entire firmly entrenched political commentary ecosystem that very much does not include hasan piker. when he talks to aoc or rashida tlaib, they're platforming him, not the other way around. it gets him more clout for his ideas, if nothing else.

    i guess to put my thoughts another way, what do you think he should be doing rather than talking to democrat politicians sometimes when they let him? mostly they let him talk to "progressives" in pretty safe seats. i like the idea that he could convert his 80k subscribers or however many into militant PSL cadres, but i don't think that's exactly the level of political consciousness of the libs that wander into his chat. do you think he could accomplish something like that and is choosing not to?

  • Hasan says he won't vote for Newscum. He attempts to explain himself. He invokes Lenin. He says Democrats would kill you for more votes. He says he will work with Democrats...

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  • as i understand it, he engages with the electoral politics because it's where most of the people are with their political consciousness. he also talks positively of PSL and its hundred millionaire benefactor. if his goal is to stand at the entry of socialist politics, then he is indeed somewhat obligated to engage within the context of electoralist politics that the vast majority of lib brained amerikkkans occupy. he can't magically move entryism to the gates of PSL cadres. i am uninterested in defending his project as such, i don't know if his socialist entryist political commentary will ultimately help result in a proletarian revolution, i just don't think he's contradicting himself in the context of an entryist ML agitator when amerikkkan brains are still, in the big '26, "like that."

  • The elf yearns for the mines.

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  • in which frieren becomes a debt peon

  • Mewgenics Co-Creator Responds to Cameo Complaints: 'I Understand We Live in a Time Where a Meow From Someone Who Has Different Beliefs as You Is Scary and Frustrating, Confusing and Controversial'

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  • i have been contending that this is the most radically centrist game due to this

  • Aocia comes out pro-nato, surprises no one

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  • the quiet guiding hand of NATOite fascist matt duss at work. behold, the berniecrat.

  • Just heard back from my prospective PhD advisor. I was accepted into the PhD program, but the university can't offer me funding.

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  • RIP sorry to hear that comrade. funding struggles are such bullshit.

  • Becoming Chinese

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  • When the time is right, I will look in the mirror and already be Chinese.

  • The kids at my school all walked out to protest ICE! I've never seen 1000 12y/o's so well coordinated, it was unbelievable!

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  • The kids at the school I work at a couple days a week might walk out tomorrow, hope they do.

  • Disco Elysium question: What was the point of the prion disease?

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  • You can trust this answer because it would be better for capital to answer in the affirmative, a brain disease gave everyone the communism.

  • EXCLUSIVE: Marco Rubio Is Deliberately Blocking Trump From Cuba Talks

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  • maybe they could, but sheinbaum already folded and china is a world away.

  • Israel being in the tech forefront of AI and computer vision just so they can have the high tech apartheid changes your perspective that tech and intelligence alone can fix/save the world

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  • it is important to the myth of capitalism that the privatization of the means of production led to technological development that made the old exploitation more efficient and beneficial for all. it is of course the opposite that is true: the invention of more efficient technologies controlled by capitalists has made their oppression all the more efficient, but this efficient oppression does not drive the creation of technologies. if anything, the efficiency of creating more efficient technologies is tightly controlled so as to not accidentally eliminate the private ownership of the means of production. there is a careful balance that is not being well-managed by today's elite that is genuinely largely detached from the actual mechanisms that power their control.

  • NSFW

    One perfect shot: The Book Of Henry (2017) CW: Kid cut in half pretty bad

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  • my halfsword opponents lookin like

  • Japan's Sanae Takaichi wins a supermajority after gambling on a snap election

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  • terrible organization mostly. JCP is also very anti-china for example. Takaichi is anti-china in rhetoric but pragmatic in practice.