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Buy, Sell, Eat, Repeat,

Buy, Sell, Eat, Repeat,

Buy, Sell, Eat, Repeat,

Buy, Sell, Eat, Repeat.

  • At every point people can always want whatever they want, but that doesn’t mean it can come to pass as it may not be in the realm of possibility. I could want to go to the moon right this minute but it obviously isn’t going to happen. A person about to die in a prison cell may want to get out but that’s probably not going to happen. They are free to want it and by that, they necessarily also want to suffer from the perceived lack of freedom. Or, they can want what is in the realm of possibility, and have their wants met. Prison or the mundane existence of earth’s gravity, you have the option of wanting what is possible or what isn’t possible. Wanting the suffering of the lack, or enjoying what is given. But neither I nor anyone else can make someone want what they don’t. I can just point out that there are options and it’s on the individual then to then weigh if the options are truly in the realm of possibility for them - I can’t make that choice for them either.

    So you agree, then, that your sentence "The fact that the society was built to work like this shows that enough people wanted it more than they wanted something else." is logically flawed?

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    You'll find it to be a very effective search engine query.

  • If that were the only reason, why does their website call it "The Long Weekend Sale"?

  • You can’t resist a system and simultaneously demand the right to enjoy the fruits of that system.

    I'm not sure how this point has any relevance to this discussion. No one brought up demands.

    Is there any point by your view, excepting death, at which you believe a person is no longer able to exercise their wants?

  • The notion of want is not applicable to a controlled population.

    A cow, for example, may want to avoid its trip to the abattoir, but conditions have been created in which the cow's wants are unattainable.

  • Your questions are valid but your first sentence is logically flawed, as written; It also presupposes that society was built as it is with intention, rather than shaped over time by an accumulation of processes, some of which included violent coercion.

  • I hear you, and that's a fair thing to discuss, but what's being discussed in this particular screencap is the smear campaign that occurred prior to the general election.

    I also think it's important to note the following, since you've mentioned this topic:

    • An "Obama Boys" strategy was used in 2008 by Clinton supporters. (source)
    • A higher percentage of Sanders voters backed Clinton in 2016 than her voters backed Obama in 2008. (source)

    (edited to fix a broken link)

  • Wow, folded like a cheap card table the minute they got you on the ropes. Nice.

  • Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

    • C.S. Lewis
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  • You think art isn't useful?

  • Seitan can be a bit complicated, for sure. The above recipe is definitely not the simplest out there, but it is absolutely delicious. It can be made with regular ol' flour instead of "vital wheat gluten" powder, but that does add a little bit to the complexity.

    That said, here's an extremely simple "2 Ingredient" recipe for seitan made with flour. Like tofu, seitan will soak up flavors well, and can be used to simulate almost any meat depending on how you prepare it.

    Also, I recommend checking out Sauce Stache (website : youtube) for excellent vegan recipes (including plenty for seitan). Thee Burger Dude is another great source of vegan recipe wisdom (website : youtube).

  • You should try this recipe, then.

    Best seitan roast I've had.

  • You don't have to use meat if you don't eat it.

    Seitan roast with potatoes, onions, and carrots is divine.

    Highly recommend this recipe.

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  • Lucky for you the linked article explains the acronym!

    Wait, you're not one of those people who only reads headlines, are you?

  • What about Ween?

  • Of course it's not a good reason, but it's also not the main complaint. That's a disingenuous argument.

    The problem is that the locations that offer IDs become political footballs.

    Imagine that you change the law to require a certain type of ID in order to vote (even though you already have a social security card, it doesn't count for voting purposes), and that said ID cannot be acquired via mail.

    Imagine, then, that the place you go to get the necessary ID is closed down, or intentionally understaffed via defunding/budget cuts. Hours reduced to 10am-4pm Monday through Friday, perhaps, when most people work. The next nearest location may be hours away. It may not be accessible via public transit. It then becomes incredibly burdensome for someone with limited time, transportation, or income to get the necessary ID. Now you're able to control access to the IDs in lower income areas by shuttering or defunding locations.

    This isn't just a theoretical situation. This occurs.

    Now, I think you'll find that most people are onboard with requiring ID to vote, provided that the barriers to getting the ID do not have a chilling effect on low-income voters.

    But that's not the way things tend to go.

    Present a plan that expands access to the ID printing services and watch the resistance to these sorts of policies disappear. Or better yet, mail one to every eligible taxpayer the first time they file a tax return. It's not particularly difficult.

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  • That is very frustrating, to be sure.

    However, the ways we've begun to think about sapience are so intriguing, as well. We're beginning to move away from the anthropocentric view that humans are the only sapient creatures. Corvids, elephants, and dolphins probably already make the cut (among other vertebrates) according to the current definition of sapience.

    Ants, too, which makes me wonder about the potential for deepening our understand of group/swarm sapience, as well. True "hive minds", etc. Fascinating stuff!

    So much of our understanding of the natural world comes from comparing creatures to ourselves through surface level observation. The more we can relate to an organism, as we perceive it, the more likely we are to elevate its status or "worthiness", it seems. Now, in the presence of modern technology, we're discovering how little we actually knew about how the world around us works.

    This all ties strongly into historic religious world-views, and elevation of humans to god-like (or god's chosen) status. So much to unpack!

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  • Haven't we moved into the belief that many/most multicellular organisms are sentient?

    Sentience is the ability to experience feelings and sensations. It may not necessarily imply higher cognitive functions such as awareness, reasoning, or complex thought processes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience


    The studies on plant ‘cognition’ and their ‘nervous system’ are not for naught. They have produced doubt. Some researchers are suddenly unsure about the status of plants and this doubt is necessary to get researchers engaged in and to acquire funding for research into plant sentience. The question of plant sentience is one of those fascinating question where, whichever answer is true we will all be in awe. If plants are sentient, then we need to rethink much of our current understanding in neuroscience. How could such a vascular system, different in so many ways from our own nervous system, give rise to consciousness? If plants are not sentient, then we are witness to a self-maintaining entity capable of complex cognitive behaviour without the presence of consciousness. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10539-024-09953-1

    This topic fascinates me. I'm not trying to be confrontational or argumentative, sorry if it comes off that way.

  • That's totally fair, and I agree with you. I probably shouldn't have used the phrase "high form of humor". I more meant "worthwhile form of humor". Even that doesn't really encapsulate what I mean.

    I don't know. It can be hard to separate brainrot from intelligent comedy, and I laugh at both, myself. I'm not the comedy police or anything, I just don't want to end up here: