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  • I only use bluesky to follow a couple of ukraine war news accounts. It's very good for that purpose. I don't interact at all or read comments, twitter was always an absolute cesspool and I assume bkuesky is as well, or will be if it ever replaces twitter

  • Based and see no evil-pilled

  • Your brain is not fully formed until about 25

  • You would say there is overwhelming evidence that Musk is a Nazi? I'd like to see it.

  • No don't you get what I'm saying? Let's say my acquaintance Jim is a Nazi. I, mistakenly, think he is not a Nazi. Someone calls Jim a Nazi and I say, "no, Jim's cool, he's not like that". That would make me WRONG. It would not make me a NAZI. People get fooled all the time, a fact everyone in this thread seems to be forgetting, and that fallibility applies just as much to Musk's accusers as his defenders.

  • I do think he wasn't zeig heiling. So do most people in the real world who aren't hooked in to leftist social media 24/7.

    Anyways you're missing the point. The point is that OPs brother thinks Musk didn't do it. So are you really going to cut someone out of you life for having the majority opinion that someone isnt a Nazi and therefore is defensible?

    "You cannot be a good person until you actively work for the liberation of people, instead of voting against their rights."

    "OK what if you think fetuses are people"

    "But they arent"

    "But I think they are, so I think I am morally righteous"

    "But they aren't and therefore you are a bad person"

    Just using abortion as an example... I am strongly pro-choice myself but I dont think people are bad just because they are pro-life. Misguided? Sure, but thats hugely different than being evil. There is a ton of space in society for good people to have different political views. The notion that everyone who disagrees with you politically is a bad person is childish.

  • So according to you his brother is wrong. He made a mistake in interpereting a hand gesture. You would cut him out of your family for that?

  • As far as the Musk thing goes: I won't even get into whether or not Musk was really trying to do a Nazi salute. Personally, I don't think he was, Musk denies it, plenty of Jewish people and Jewish advocacy groups also say they don't think it was intentional. But the important thing is, your brother doesn't think it was intentional. So, at worst, he has committed the crime of being naive, and there's a very good chance that he's right and you're wrong. If he said, yes Musk did a Nazi salute on purpose and then defended that, that would be way over the line. But honestly he sounds like a pretty run of the mill libertarian/conservative. And I will die on the hill that the vast majority of libertarians and conservatives are good people, even if I disagree with them politically.

  • From Reuters:

    The Anti-Defamation League, which tracks antisemitism, disagreed. "It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge," it posted on Monday. In Germany, the president of the Jewish community in Munich and Upper Bavaria, Charlotte Knobloch, described the gesture as "highly irritating". "Far more worrying are Elon Musk's political positions, his offensive interference in the German parliamentary election campaign and his support for a party whose anti-democratic aims should be under no illusions," she said in a statement.

    Look if the extremely jumpy ADL doesn't call it anti-Semitic it's a real reach to call at a Nazi salute. And don't tell me they are in on the conspiracy. Most politicians know better than to hold out their arms like that, Musk clearly does not.

  • Oh God not this debate again

  • Rednote with multiple SIMULTANEOUS video feeds sounds like a whole new level of brain rot

  • I thought maybe it's "I am, baby"

  • Same thing with riding motorcycles. I hear so often "don't you know how dangerous it is?! Look at the statistics!" And yeah, it is objectively dangerous but by wearing proper gear and not being a complete idiot you can remove yourself from most of the statistics. Motorcycles attract a disproportionately thrill-seeking population, which makes motorcycles as a whole seem more dangerous than they are. If the people on bikes who are running red lights and doing 120 on the interstate didn't have motorcycles they'd be running red lights and doing 120 on the interstate in cars and dying that way instead.

  • Officially though none of that is canon right?

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  • Oh, maybe. Hours of fun either way!

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  • The guy with the metal detector in the background haha

  • Yeah I guess you're right. Both sides have been pretty...apocalyptic lately.

  • The reason I singled out leftists is that over the last couple decades, in the ideological struggle between socialists and capitalists... the capitalists pretty much won. There are are still some holdouts around the world but in general leftists are left on the outside looking in as the capitalist-led world grows more prosperous (and lots of bad things too, I'm not trying to play it off as capitalist good socialist bad). But in their position, all leftists can really do is criticize the status quo. And, again, there are plenty of valid criticisms to make, but because they are removed from power leftists can't do very much "look at the good things socialism is doing," it's 99% "look at all the bad things capitalism is doing". At least in the US/Western Europe.

    The right-wing can at least say things like "the economy is doing well" and "technology is advancing due to [Company]'s breakthrough" in between fear-mongering about immigration.