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  • Yeah this “proposal” violates literally everything about the Constitution.

    This is just exile but with more words, which is not allowed under the immunities clause of the US Constitution.

    Every person has rights to exercise due process within the several states, exile explicitly removes this.

  • this means deepseek is based on an openai model?

    It doesn't sound like it is. It sounds more like it's hallucinating which DeepSeeks has a really light end fine-tuning. But who knows? While their stuff is Open Source, no one has yet to test it and see if they can reproduce the results DeepSeek got. For all we know this is just a Chinese con or the real deal. But not knowing how you landed into this point of the conversation it comes off as a context aware hallucination.

    It knows about openai and it being a LLM but it's mixed up self identity in specific with identity in general. That is it is start to confuse LLMs and ChatGPT as meaning the same thing and then trying to wire back this bad assumption to make sense again.

    Again, who really knows at this point? It's too new and it being in China, there's likely no way to verify these people's claims until someone can take what they've published and made a similar LLM.

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  • This is so silly.

    Trump: I'm going to put a 100% tariff on your goods if you don't start building them here.

    TSMC: Yeah, we're doing just that next year. We're already fabbing them there in the US.

    2026 rolls around and the final part of TSMZ in AZ is complete

    Trump: I'm such a fucking genius.

    And Republicans will eat this shit up.

  • Copenhagen-hosted DistroWatch says it has tried to appeal against the Community Standards-triggered ban. However, they say that a Facebook representative said that Linux topics would remain on the cybersecurity filter.

    Nope, this one isn't ignorance, it's actual malice. They fully intended to start blocking Linux topics.

    When you take this and pair it with what Larry Ellison just recently said:

    AI will ensure "citizens will be on their best behavior"

    There tends to be a pattern forming that I really don't want to draw because I like tinfoil on my head.

  • Hur, hur, folks will speak about "DeepSeek won't let me talk about June 3rd, 1989"

    That's not really the point nor why investors are bailing.

    Investors are popping bubbles mostly because they already knew nVidia and the AI craze was overvalued. There just wasn't a hard case for making the short sell.

    That's where DeepSeek comes in, not because of what they offer, but because of how they did it. nVidia has posed the market that the ONLY means towards the "bright AI future™" is via their advanced chips. Chips mind you, that China does not have access to.

    Well guess who has a pretty advanced model for a country that's not supposed to have the chips to do that? So one of two things is going on AND it plays well to our AI short sellers.

    1. China is indeed somehow getting those chips even though they aren't supposed to, which means vendors like Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, etc have Chinese competition and that went so well for American companies last time they had to compete with China.
    2. nVidia is a big fibber, and we don't actually need their super deluxe chips to get advanced models, meaning team green is overpricing their hardware.

    It's one of these two situations and it's THAT, that had investors finally getting that sweet, sweet orgasm of calling bullshit on a market leader. Now the science is still out here. DeepSeek put out a lot of information and open sourced their code on how they went about building their LLM. So, science doing what science does best, there should be some repeatability to what DeepSeek did. And there's plenty of folks around who have the setup to attempt it. So eventually we should see SeepDeek soon enough or whatever.

    So if we start seeing SeepDeek, Zuckerbot 5000, and so on. Then it's number two that's likely true, which means nVidia is going to be hurting. Now if we don't see any of that coming out, well then arrows start to point to number one. nVidia isn't hurting too much, but boy oh boy will the vendors not like seeing some of that inventory going to people it shouldn't be going to. If there's one thing American Companies hate, it's competition when there shouldn't be any.

    That's the thing with FeepPeaks here. It isn't that your social credit score will hit the hunny pot for dear leader Xi Jinpoobear. It's that someone has successfully given the required red meat to the autist that have been chomping at the bit to short the fuck out of team greenbacks. That's the bigger story here. It's that sly pandering to the retards of WSB to do what they do best in spite of the recent "US superiority for meme coins and Presidential rug pulls."

    Now in the end if number two does pull true, it's a game changer for how nVidia was planing to do this "AI will suck your fucking dick if you buy the top shelf silicon". What DeepSeek does isn't a golden goose here, it's still a bit slower than <

    <those other LLMs>

    >, what it does do is get the job done for about the same number of kilowatts coming into your setup.

    Put another way, nVidia's top tier card gives you the full service, cups the balls, gentle humming, no teeth, all the way to the base. The "Shit we Sell to the Chinese™", is like the person who spits in their hand once and tries to get the job for the friend done as fast as possible like they were trying to break up asphalt on the Interstate with a jackhammer on cocaine. DeepSeek just showed that you can get the Chinese Bullshit to lick the balls a bit, get some actual stroking in, and use actual lubricant. Still not the full service, but vastly better that the hawk tauh that nVidia was telling folks the bottom tier would get them, which nobody was really liking the idea of.

    That's what DeeperPeaks here is putting forward. It isn't a final product, it's a method, a method for others to build on to take on all those vendors out there telling you that their fancy five star Swedish call girl from nVidia powers their advanced fancy you cannot live without AI model. DeepReeks is telling you that the bottom tier is that nerdy girl from all those 90s movies that if you just let her hair down and take off her glasses, well suddenly you've got a hottie. Yeah, she's still awkward as fuck, but not awkward in that way where she gives you a "Roman salute", so you might get your lemonade stand LLM model to actually make you some cash.

    That's the thing here, not the lack of squishy Chinese people from the late 1980s. If you want you too can build one using MeekPeeks that tells you everything about tanks and the human body's inability to carry one.

  • So is the rout based on the idea that the need for training hardware is much smaller than suspected even if the operation cost is the same... or is the stock market just clueless and dumb and they're all running on vibes at all times anyway?

    Two parts here.

    1. nVidia is over valued, everyone has known this but nobody wanted to call. Someone clicking a decent model on a fraction the resources was good as anyone to call the bluff.
    2. Lots of the folks who are in it for nVidia believe that companies are going to need chips out the ass to keep up. It's getting ahead of everyone to say "that's no longer true", but for reasons there's a good chance the chip expectation isn't as big as nVidia was painting.

    As for the model.

    This model is from China and trained there. They have an embargo on the best chips, they can't get them. So they aren't supposed to have the resources to produce what we're seeing with DeepSeek, and yet, here we are. So either someone has slipped them a shipment that's a big no-no OR we take it at face value here that they've found a way to optimize training.

    The neat thing about science is reproducibility. So given the paper DeepSeek wrote and the open source nature of this. Someone should be able to sit down and reproduce this in about two month (ish). If they can, nVidia is going to have a completely terrible time and the US is going to have to rethink the whole AI embargo.

    Without deep diving into this model and what it spouts, the skinny is that nVidia has their top tier AI GPUs. It has all these parts cut into the silicon that makes creating a model cost a lot less in kilowatts of power. DeepSeek says they were able to put in some optimizations that gets you a model on low kilowatts by optimizing some of the parts found only in the top tier AI GPUs.

    Blah blah example of this DeepSeek used 32 of the 132 streaming multiprocessors on their Hopper GPUs to act as a hardware accelerated communication manager and scheduler. Top tier nVidia cards for big farms do this in their hardware already in a circuit called the DPU. Basically DeepSeek found a way to use their Hopper GPUs to do the same function as nVidia's DPUs.

    If true, it means that the hardware nVidia is popping into their top tier isn't strictly required. It's nice, and you'll still get a model on less kilowatts than the tricks DeepSeek is using, but DeepSeek's tricks means the price difference between top tier and low tier needs to be a lot closer than it is to stay competitive. As it stands with DeepSeek's tricks (again, if they prove to be correct) is that if you've got a little extra time, you can get bottom tier AI GPUs and spend about the same kilowatts for what the top tier will kick out with a hint less kilowatts. The difference in cost of kilowatts between the amount you spend on low tier and amount you spend on kilowatts on top tier isn't enough to justify the top tier's price difference from the low tier, if time is not a factor.

    And so that brings us full circle here. If someone is able to reproduce DeepSeek's gains, nVidia's top tier GPUs are way over priced and their bottom tier is going to sell out like hotcakes. That's bad for nVidia if they were hoping to, IDK, make ridiculous profit. And that is why the sudden spook in the market. I mean, don't get me wrong, folks have been looking forward to popping nVidia's bubble, so they've absolutely been hyping this whole thing up a lot more. And it didn't help that it came top #1 on the Apple App Store.

    So some of this is those people riding the hate nVidia train. But some of it is also, well this is interesting if true. I think it's a little early to start victory laps around nVidia's grave. The optimizations purposed by DeepSeek have yet to be verified as accurate. And things are absolutely going to get interesting no matter the outcome. Because if the purposed optimizations don't actually produce the kind of model DeepSeek has, where did they get it from? How did they cheat? Because then that's an interesting question in of itself, because they aren't supposed to have hardware that would allow them to make this. Which could mean a few top tier cards are leaking into China's hands.

    But if it all does prove true, well, he he he, nVidia shorts are going to be eating mighty well.

  • fell more than 15 percent in midday deals on Wall Street, erasing more than $500 billion of its market value

    If I'm reading this correctly, that would mean that NV was previously valued at ~$3.4T??

    Yeah, they might be a bit overvalued. Just hint.

  • But it isn’t those idiots dying, so for them, nothing important was lost.

    Everyone going to need to make room for these thoughts and prayers.

  • Meta mad about DeepSeeks. Decided only terrorist use Linux.

  • We all going to be deported to Linus’ house for not using Microsoft spyware. All because some Chinese AI shook Zuck’s AI investors.

  • Shit we already seeing it real time. Facebook recently banned anything related to Linux.

  • Shit. Where you getting the money for so many cigarettes? Best I can do is drag a two pack of Swisher Sweets out over the week.

  • From “I’m sure he’s learned his lesson” to this. Republican Senators really give off that “I actually don’t give a shit, I’m here for the paycheck” vibe.

  • I didn’t comment on the action. I indicated the linked article’s title is horrible.

  • Must be all those sending my heart gestures and roman salutes I do on a daily basis because I'm autistic and awkward.

  • Yes, but the concentration of CO₂ is about 420 ppm from 2023 measurements. Whereas your average carbonated soda is around 10,000 to 15,000 ppm. And most people call anything below 2,000 ppm flat.

    Something to consider.

  • This is just Trump rescinding Executive Order 13989. Highlights from that EO.

    • No accepting gifts from registered lobbyists or lobbying organizations
    • Revolving door ban, outgoing. (That's leaving the White House and going directly to work for a job you previously were over in the White House)
    • Revolving door ban, incoming. (That's being a lobbyist and then getting hired into a department you lobbied.)
    • Revolving door ban, holding the door. (You can't help others get in or out of a department into or hired from a lobby directly related to the department in question)
    • Golden Parachute Ban. (No hiring you if you had a golden parachute)
    • Vampire clause, everything agreed to here, everyone who reports to the person who agreed must agree to it.

    So the first item is lobbying as usual, but the rest dealt with who could and couldn't be hired/considered for nominations.

    Power cited in the EO was 3 USC § 301, 5 USC § 3301,7301.

    IMHO: I think the title is horrible.

  • Exactly. What the banks are doing are selling "loans". Musk has to pay those loans back quote/unquote someday. If the loan is good, you hold on to it as a bank because the interest makes you money. If the loan is bad, you sell it so that you can get some of your money back and make the collection of the loan someone else's problem.

    Banks will do this for a number of reasons:

    • To manage their balance sheet. Every loan not paid in full is bad and you need to balance good (income/good loans/etc) and bad.
    • Generate immediate liquidity. Banks need to have some hard cash on hand, sometimes they sell to do just that, have hard cash.
    • Free up credit lines to lend to new borrowers. Banks only have so much resources, sometime you cut losses to get new gains.
    • Diversify the risk pool. You want a nice balance between "loans that might default" and "loans likely to not default".

    Now for everyone else, what the parent to this comment is indicating is the second option in that list. Having to create some cold hard cash suddenly. Usually, there's a cyclical nature to needing greenbacks by the fistful, but like everything that's not always true. Something can "happen" and you have a sudden need to have cash in hand pronto. Good way to get that cash is to start selling low hanging fruit if you have it.

    Something like the Twitter loan is a good pitch for low hanging fruit. Musk is terrible at paying the loan back, Twitter is likely to default one day, but Musk suddenly has direct access to some pretty corrupt as fuck ways to actually pay that loan back. From what I've read in the article, the sell price is something like 90 to 95 cents on the dollar. So not a huge discount, this ain't a fire sale.

    But banks might want to offload Musk from their sheets just in case that money is something someone might later investigate. Like that 95 cents on the dollar price is "We think Musk is good for it, but we likely don't actually want his money." So you can make that federal investigation in 2033 someone else's problem, by selling the loan today. The big bank makes about 95% of the original amount back and when Musk goes to pay his loan in Russian Blood Rubles, it'll be to a bank that get investigated that isn't <<insert some large bank that would "NEVER" think to take conflicted money>>.

    That's one theory. But there could be something on the horizon. Something that isn't right around the corner, but coming up in the distance that the banks want to have cash on hand for. Usually you see a much larger discount, like 60 cents on the dollar, for "holy shit, this stuff is toxic but we need to offload it discreetly before everyone else wises up."

    I don't think point one and three apply to Musk's particular set of loans. But who knows?! Only the bankers do.

  • It’s very bureaucratic. And it’s very slow.

    Oh well he'd like to know about the Homeland Security Act of 2002. That's when we took FEMA and merged it with Department of Homeland Security and mixed all these neat book keeping tricks. Like this one where border patrol has to get money from FEMA for particular payments related to housing capture illegal border crossings.

    Now you may ask, "Why on Earth would we do something like that?" Well, because 9/11! That's why!

    Yeah, for the folks who were trying to beg for reason and a level head in the aftermath of the worse terrorist attack on the United States, they would be right up there with Trump about how FEMA since 9/11 has slowly converted into a red tape mess. I don't think anyone in FEMA will debate that the red tape is a good thing.

    But that's about as far as Trump goes in being right before he gets to:

    I’d like to see the states take care of disasters

    States WOULD NOT take care of them. They would just create various insurances that they would require citizens to pay into. And then those funds would be at the whim of the State Government not being corrupt, which for the southeastern states (I'm in one of them, Tennessee) that would be like asking a cocaine addict to be in charge of the cocaine evidence.

    sniff sniff I have no idea why all these criminals keep going free! sniff snifffffffff

    I mean I don't know, maybe we ought to bring back tar and feathering our local politicians. I thought we could move past that point, but you know, shit sometimes the old ways work best.

    FEMA just hasn’t done the job

    FEMA has done exactly the job that Congress has legislated them to do. If FEMA is failing in someone's opinion, we needn't look any further than Congress.

    He also said individual states should be in charge of directing response to natural disasters rather than FEMA, and that the federal government should only step in subsequently to provide funding.

    sigh

    This is overly simplified. States know best where things are hit hardest and what the priority for rebuilding should be. FEMA will absolutely use their decades of experience in disasters to help state governments get the most out of their funds. If I was to try to make a metaphor here. States are in the driver's seat, FEMA will act as the GPS, and Congress is the gas tank. FEMA will try to get the most mileage out of your gas tank as possible, but States can totally change course and FEMA will try it's best to plot a good destination based on the new course given the limited amount of fuel the State has.

    As always, it's a subject that is complex that Trump feels that the complexity doesn't deserve to be address but instead done away with and make the complexity someone else's problem.

  • Me as a Tennessean: "I bet it's Andy Ogles"

    Checks

    Goddamn can I read that man like a fucking book. I'm sorry we're all trying to vote the bastard out but the State gerrymandered the district because... AND I SHIT YOU NOT... "California does it, so it's okay if we do it too". Honest to God what our State Assembly said about breaking Nashville up into a hellscape of gerrymandering.

    Do know, he's an idiot IRL as well. He's the kind that's really full of himself and he's got a super high self-worth in head.