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  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • But then what's your solution? Dems become just as openly fascist as the GOP?

    Democrats won in 1992, 1996, 2008, 2012, and 2020 without resorting to open fascism. That's five of the last nine elections, which is roughly what you'd expect in a two party system.

    I'm confident they can do it again in 2028.

    Do you enjoy the image of a boot stomping on a human face

    No. But that's an image of what has historically happened after leftists took power.

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  • So by "interests of the working class", you don't mean "listen to the working class". You mean "tell the working class what their interests are".

    Classic leftist. And you accuse Democrats of wanting power over others.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • You just told me the difference between Harris and Trump is that Trump lied to the working class, and that's why Harris lost.

    The only logical conclusion is that you believe lying to the working class is a winning strategy.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • Plenty of people in the working class don't want a stateless society, either.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • Nobody knows for sure why, not even people who play FPS games.

    What is clear is that Democrats need to win them back. Democrats don't seem to think leftism will win them back, and I agree.

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  • The OP is not about me.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • If mass movements can win a general election then they can win a primary.

    Conversely, if leftists aren't yet winning primaries with mass movements, then they can't yet win general elections.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • So lying to the working class is your winning strategy.

    Thanks, Lenin.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • Democrats definitely don't want a stateless society. So they definitely should not listen to leftists.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • The good news is that laws have changed. Candidates today can win primaries simply by getting the most votes, without need of smoke filled rooms.

    The bad news is that leftists are still incapable of winning primaries.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • By centrist, I'm specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males. They were Biden voters in 2020 and shifted to Trump in 2024. Democrats need to win those groups back. And they don't seem to care much about class war.

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  • Ok, so if leftists can't win a primary because they have no support from donors and media, then how are they supposed to win a general election?

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • If everyone obeys the law, then a primary is not "corrupt". It is a test of how many votes you can get when your opponent is using every possible legal mechanism to obtain an "unfair" advantage.

    And that's exactly the same thing that will happen in the general. So if a candidate doesn't know how to win an "unfair" primary then they are destined to lose in the general. They are not a good candidate, and they should be eliminated as soon as possible.

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  • Politics isn't fair.

    But nevertheless, if you can submit your signatures on time, then you can be in the primary. And if you get the most votes, then you will win the primary.

    If you can't accomplish those two basic tasks, then you are not a good candidate. Even if you think it's "unfair". Step aside so someone better than you can do the job.

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  • Centrists need to get more votes than their opponent. Just like everyone else.

    If a candidate can't do that, they are not a good candidate. Their excuses are irrelevant.

  • Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump

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  • I'm saying Democrats successfully won centrists in 2020 (and 1992, and 1996, and 2008, and 2012) but failed to do so in 2024.

    They need to understand why. But the solution is probably not "be less centrist".

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  • Centrists. The ones who decided this election. And also decided the 2020 election.

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  • Party leaders get one vote each, just like everyone else. They can't stop leftists from voting. So if leftist candidates want to win, they simply need to get more votes than their opponents.

    And if leftists are discouraged by opposition from "the party apparatus", they are going to be devastated when they find out about the massive electoral advantages of incumbency. Incumbents win >90% of their elections!

    With all their whining about "party apparatus", frankly I think most leftists don't have the stomach to take on an incumbent. Which basically means they will never win an election.

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  • If leftists think Trump best listens to the working class, then leftists should start advising Republicans instead of Democrats.