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A sinner and a Fediverse Advocate.

I hate strawmen.

  • Not every Christian group is like that. You only notice the loud lunatics.

  • Gonna eliminate some strawmen here. For a start, in the vast majority of Christian churches, the collection plate is a modest charitable giving. It is not typically used to fund the mill/billionaire "pastors" that you see on the media all of the time. Most pastors aren't like that. Most Churches seem to take finances seriously. The ones I have been a part of are very transparent with their finances- some publish their finances to everyone, some publish it to members. My mum is a Baptist and she says she knows how much her pastor is paid, and the congregation sets that wage in a democratic manner. In fact, voting on finances is usually what they do in members meetings. In Episcopal churches, from what I'm aware, finances are authorised for dispensation by the select vestry - who are essentially voting members in church affairs. Some churches I regularly attend do struggle for finances, as when Christianity was more culturally participated in, members would have generated enough money to maintain large beautiful buildings. Now they are aging, and churches don't have that money to throw around.

    The collection plate being passed around is actually supposed to be a method of anonymous donation. It is very much frowned upon to even look at how people handle it, most people don't even look to take it.

    Onto scripture:

    Jesus said:

    Matthew 6:1-4

    “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

    So giving is encouraged, but to be done secretly.

    2 Corinthians 9:7

    Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

    I'd argue this is abolishing the 10% rule.

    There is a case in the Acts of the Apostles where two people lie to the Church, and pretend to donate all of the proceeds from selling their land to the Church and drop dead. This wasn't because they didn't give it all, it's because they publicly gave in front of many others as a show of holiness. After they dropped dead, the church wised up (Christians generally accept that they still went to heaven, but the act of them dying physically was to "purify" the church and to scare them out of deceit)

    Acts 5:1-11

    But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and with his wife’s knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles’ feet. But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him. After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. And Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for so much.” And she said, “Yes, for so much.” But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things.

    Now, let's address the table flipping incident:

    People were essentially overcharging and commercialising sacrifices. Some speculate that they weren't letting people bring their own sacrifice, instead they had to buy it in the temple court. Essentially it was a "pay to enter" fee. Not like modern day tithing.

    And finally - those megachurch millionaire/billionaires? Those "ministers" who only care about money?

    Matthew 7:22-23

    On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

    1 Timothy 6:10

    For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

    Luke 12:13-21

    Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” But he said to him, “Man, who made me a judge or arbitrator over you?” And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God."

  • That's a nice Church

  • Wasn't there something that couldn't be classified as free because it had json or something which has a licence and it's only stipulation is is "do not use for evil"?

  • From my experience"from what I've heard" stuff can be unreliable, although in your circumstances, sounds like you're best playing it safe. There were cases in China of children being institutionalised for BS like videogame addiction. There's also the chance though that they fixed that problem. For example, I was warned against smog in Beijing, I arrived and there were trees everywhere and half the cars were electric. Turns out they fixed the problem (although the city didn't have the freshest of air but I didn't have any adverse health impact from a temporary visit). I had heard stuff about Christian Persecution there, legally churches do need to be state sanctioned, but people claimed such churches were just propaganda arms/theatres for an illusion of a right to religious belief. I went to a church there and the way the service was carried out had it's unique aspects, but the actual content of what was being preached wasn't any different or concerning from what churches would preach here in the UK. There was no politics mentioned except a Chinese flag sitting outside the building and a poster tucked in the corner outside talking about "socialist values" which translated wasn't really anything alarming from a theological standpoint.

    Further research indicated the reason why Opendoors (an organisation commonly cited regarding Christian Persecution) put them in the "red" category was due to Xinjiang and Tibet where family or community members may not take kindly to an apostasy from their traditional religions, as opposed to state persecution.

    Sure, China isn't ideal but I have seen people over exaggerate stuff. It is advised if you renounced Chinese citizenship to always carry proof with you from what I've heard.

  • First sunday of advent is four Sundays before Christmas. So this year it's the 30th of November. The presentation of Christ at the Temple is on the 2nd of February

  • I love visiting China but I don't really see much of a reason to want to live there

  • Briton here. Decorations go up on the first Sunday of Advent and come down after the feast of the Presentation of Christ at the Temple.

  • In what way were they ruined?

  • I agree with every word you say. The reason I am anti illegal-immigrant is a matter of national security. While resources are a part of it, I don't blame them purely for the country's problems

  • I didn't see much issue with what she said. I think Labour is coming up with a sensible strategy

  • This means illegal migrants account for 4.5% of all people entering the country and yet account for 100% of the anti-migrant sentiment.

    ...yes, in fact, I strongly disagree with anti-migrant sentiment. I am talking about illegal immigration here. I don't get how this is related. I think we need to stop blurring the lines between legal migrants and channel-hoppers.

  • It's some weird nonsense about the Home Secretary deporting herself written by this guy

  • true. At least it wasn't the Canary this time

  • What's the 39 thousand statistic?

  • Don't get what's happening - so he's being chased by people smugglers in France? Or was he just attacked on the streets in paris unrelated?

    Sounds like it's France's problem, I don't see how it's ours.

  • I don't think she's done any of the sort? Didn't she just make it harder to get Indefinite Leave to Remain as a refugee?

  • Wouldn't you want non-waterproof shoes that dry easily? Like canvas shoes? What shoes were you wearing to ruin them with rain

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