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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

We only count votes from instance members. How are you identifying "top comments"?

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

I haven't tallied up all the comments yet but it's definitely on the table. Once the votes are closed I'll analyse the results, and then do a sense check with the other admins.

I will say that the responses from feddit.org to this post have mostly just confirmed the issue, unfortunately. Those commenters, really haven't done their instance any favours.

And a lot of our users seem to prefer a full defed, rather than community bans, so we've got to take that into account too.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

Are there any communities I mod you feel a particular affinity towards? We could always do with more mods. And if you're a c/piracy enthusiast we could do with someone keeping a closer eye on piracy community wiki updates.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

I hear ya.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

Here in Sauerkrautland, the fascists are doing the same thing, of course.

Are they? Or are you just bringing the same brain dead energy as US centrist libs who like to claim that anti fascists are the same as fascists somehow? The one thing most Germans can agree on is that Israel "has done bad things" but that the Palestinians are "terrorist scum" who deserve whatever punishment Israel dishes out. That's your Zionist mindset in a nutshell.

[...] But, by pushing anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and anti-Palestinian laws to the political forefront, AfD has already mainstreamed its agenda and changed the country.
The right has pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable, manipulating Germany’s culture of reckoning with its past into a commitment to defend Israel at all costs and no matter how extreme its actions. This proxy nationalism is defended by an unholy alliance of right, left, and center. Almost all German political parties, media, police, citizenship authorities, and even universities and cultural institutions are working together to suppress activists, scholars, and even the UN’s special rapporteur.
“I was really shocked by the political pressure on the universities and the anti-Palestinian racism, and I intend to write a report about it,” Albanese, the U.N. rapporteur, told Drop Site after the event. “It’s clear that there is racism against the Palestinians here, negating their identity.”
Under the mayoralty of Kai Wegner of the conservative Christian Democrats—whose party is predicted to lead in Sunday’s national elections—the city of Berlin has turned into a flashpoint for cracking down on pro-Palestinian speech, with protesters regularly brutalized, including Jewish students at a university occupation and women at marches protesting violence against women, as well as at a memorial for people killed by a right-wing terrorist.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

And I know we’re a cantankerous bunch at best lol, hard to please everyone. But it needs to be clear this isn’t the Flatworm show, please, because of how central that is to the premise and organizing principles here. Ya know?

Yeah thanks for the feedback. I agree I did a better job with representing all positions on the last vote to be honest. I think maybe part of the reason was that I felt we were in general agreement on putting it to a vote, so there wasn't much diversity of opinion to report. But yeah, still.

Maybe for these governance decisions, a primary post with the main info as is, and one or more top level comments with specific categories of additional info? Maybe a blurb or POV from each admin/mod team contributor, maybe a section with concrete “we want this to improve by doing such”, or etc.

Good suggestion tbh, thanks.

Edit - to elaborate a little more since I never really manage to be brief, the biggest thing I’ve liked about this instance from when I first got to know it, is the commitment to transparency around decision-making. I’m just asking for that. If trying to change instance governance, the discussion among y’all should simply be here. I can imagine that poses some challenges.

You're right, we should probably commit to having a public discussion first before putting things to a vote in future.

I’m more willing to make charitable assumptions with y’all than just about anywhere, and I’m telling y’all that even with that, this isn’t enough. I can’t tell how anyone feels but you, and the goals need some guesses too. But again, thank you for being the one willing to take the effort here.

Yeah I probably didn't really sell the case that well and should have put together something more compelling. What is kind of surprising to me is how strong support for the proposal has been, despite that fact. But all I can do at this point is to try to do a better job next time. Thanks for the constructive criticism.

Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

You are the one assuming phrases calling for the death of a nation state are a literal call to genocide everyone inside that nation state. That's the worst possible bad faith interpretation of that phrasing one could make. Yes it's one possible meaning, among many others. Yet despite everyone here telling you your interpretation is bad faith and that's not what we mean by it, here you are insisting your interpretation is the only possible correct one. I don't know if the German language is just very literal about such things, but that's simply not how English works. Essentially what you and Feddit.org and Germany itself has done, is to mischaracterise that phrase by redefining it according to your own biases, and then banning the phrase on the basis of your own definition. That's what is lazy and malicious and childish.

Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

I think they just like to always assume the worst in order to justify their own overly broad definition of antsemitism, accusations of which are used to shield Israel (and Germany's support of Israel) from valid criticism. After all if they can claim they are fighting antisemitism instead of aiding a genocide, then the political optics are much better.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

Sorry, I havent had time to reply to everyone yet. I'll commit to responding this evening though.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

No.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

DickTasty and SubJesus are the worst possible examples someone could make to illustrate this point.

The other Guy, I don't know much about, but he was breaking the rule. You only showed one of his removed comments. This comment was a blatant violation of rule 7, and the user is a self-described [liberal] progressive, so 🤷 I guess.

I'll also just point out that there is no barrier for anyone to open up an Anarcho-Electoralist community. Personally I like the rule in place, it stops the community from being swamped by libs during the US election cycle. Why should we all have to suffer through their bullshit?

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

This has got to be a bit, right?

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

At the risk of being banned this instance is starting to get annoying with the amount of political keyboard warrioring posts.

Looks like the last defed vote was almost a year ago. Sorry to both you.

I thought this was supposed to be a pro piracy anarchist community.

It is. Anarchism is a political ideology. We are a political instance. All our admins are anarchists and/or socialists. I don't know what to tell ya. You've been here 2 years, you must surely already know this?

For self proclaimed anarchists there sure is a lot of desire to censor and dictate what opinions everyone is allowed to see.

We are a leftist instance - and every new member agrees to follow the Golden Rules. Anarchism doesn't mean "no rules" or "no moderation", that's freeze-peach libertarianism you are thinking of. If you would prefer more of a free-for-all experience then other options exist that might be a better fit.

For fucks sake if you are that bothered by a handful of users just block those individuals. Not all of us have a panic attack when we see an idiot spouting nonsense we don’t agree with.

We operate this instance by community consensus and take user feedback seriously. The proposal did not originate from the admin team, we were asked by a user who wanted a defederation vote. And while i'm glad you feel you feel comfortable enough to handle bumping into zionists and fascists [eh, same thing] on the regular, the evidence suggests there is very strong support for this proposal across our users.

Is it the right thing to do? I'm a bit torn on the decision myself tbh. But fact is that it's not up to me, and never was. It's up to the users. Like it or not, that's the experiment in direct democracy we are running here. You are also free to propose policy changes if you want to, but those would need a separate vote.

To explain some more about my personal take on all this, the reason I proposed removing just a few communities was as a compromise position, to give us a less nuclear option than full defederation, because I'd also prefer not to defederate with feddit.org completely. I quite enjoy banning Zionist accounts. But judging by the comments so far (vibe check), it seems the largest group of commenters prefer full defederation, another large group prefers (some) community bans similar to as proposed (judging by the yes votes), and a smaller chunk of users would prefer us to do nothing. I'll make a more careful assessment once the vote is finished to confirm, but would you say that's a fair summary so far?

If you can think of a way to square that circle and keep everyone happy I would welcome the advice tbh (minus the snark, preferably). I'm also open to the idea of pruning the list of banned communities a bit based on the feedback received so far. But it won't be my decision to make at the end of the day -- the whole admin team will have their input.

Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

Read rule 1, asshole.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

I totally agree Trump has largely destroyed US influence (for the moment), but then again Merz is part of the Israeli genocide club, so he's hardly a paragon of leadership himself.

The German government has consistently denied that a genocide is taking place in Gaza. In December 2024, after Amnesty International released a report accusing Israel of genocide, Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Sebastian Fischer stated that "genocide presupposes a clear intention to eradicate an ethnic group. I still do not recognize any such clear intention."
In early December 2025, Merz visited Israel and met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Isaac Herzog. The discussions focused on solidifying German support for Israel, the ongoing Gaza conflict, the peace process, and a major arms deal.
[...]
Another point of contention appears to have eased. While Merz acknowledged that certain Israeli military actions in Gaza put Germany in a "dilemma" and urged Israel to respect international law, he stressed that the decision to suspend arms deliveries was a one-time measure.
Germany suspended the delivery of some arms to Israel in August amid growing concerns over civilian casualties in Gaza. The suspension was lifted in November following the ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas.
Defense cooperation remains a cornerstone of German-Israeli ties despite the war in Gaza, which a UN committee has labeled genocide — a charge rejected by Israel.

Notably, Israel has outright rejected Germany's preferred two-state solution, continues to kill Palestinians at an alarming rate despite the so-called "ceasefire", and continues turn a blind eye to Zionist settlers murdering Palestinians living in the West Bank. But Merz went ahead and lifted his 4-month long arms embargo so that weapons and profit could keep flowing.

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Unruffled [they/them] @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3w ago

Even if the majority dictates it to me, it is wrong in principle.

Which principle? Seems you are more angry at the Tyranny of the majority than anything else. As a reminder, we've never had a policy of federating with every instance in the fediverse.

An anarchist admin on a power trip.

Seeking broad consensus from our users is power tripping? That's a pretty shitty take tbh.

If you are willing to write up a proposal to withdraw some/all of our defeds then I'm willing to put it up for a vote, but I don't think it'll get much support tbh. See https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances for all our blocked instances and you can see for yourself what you are missing out on... stuff like threads, exploding-heads.com, kiwifarms.cc, posting.lolicon.rocks, and skinheads.io. We don't defederate for no reason, or do so often.

I think you are just upset because you like feddit.org, and are lashing out with personal attacks because you want someone to blame for the outcome of the vote. You are right that it is largely a symbolic act - one of solidarity with the Palestinians. Will it annoy some of our German users? Yes, it already has. But if I have to choose between an act of solidarity with our German users over how conveniently they can access a website, vs an act of solidarity with the Palestinian cause, then I'll pick the Palestinians every time. Because they are being killed right now with German weapons, by a German-trained IDF.

You don't seem to realize how out of step the majority of Germans are with the rest of the world on this issue, particularly in leftist communities.