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Ferrous

@ Ferrous @lemmy.ml

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  • Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact covered up by the usual patriotism somehow?

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  • Yup.

    What we are seeing now is a critical inflection point for liberals: do they do honest introspection and start to apply real criticism to the history of the US, or do they cover their ears and claim Trumpism is an aberration for which they have no reasonable explanation.

    To put it simply, liberals now have a choice between

    "Damn, this is really the outcome of the american political project, huh? How did we get here?"

    And

    "Trumpist fascism is un-American, and I am clueless as to how it took hold, but I am going to continue to vote blue no matter who!"

    If the amount of liberals on .world bizarrely harkening back to the "good old days" of the founders, Reagan, Obama, and even dubya is any indication, I suspect most of them have gone with the second option.

  • Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact covered up by the usual patriotism somehow?

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  • There are plenty of racists who aren't fascist. There are plenty or countries with racism problems that aren't fascist. There are plenty of dumbfucks who aren't fascist. There are plenty of illiterate countries that aren't fascist. "Stupidity" (im being careful here - i dont think illiteracy = stupid) and racism predates fascism.

    Youve reached the limit of the liberal ideological framework and have resorted to explaining fascism as some sort of cultural pathology. This is what happens when your idealist politics prioritizes individual psychology and moralistic explanations over historical and economic analysis.

    It's frustrating seeing liberals watch the fascist devolution in real-time, and just throw up their hands saying "well i guess americans are just stupid! QED!". It conveniently absolves them for their complicity in facilitating fascism, and it spits in the face of victims of US policy, both foreign and abroad.

  • Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact covered up by the usual patriotism somehow?

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  • No, I think you missed my point entirely. No amount of shame, facts and logic, or blasts will stop fascism.

    Until regulatory agencies stop being captured, until people can own homes, until people can retire, until people can get healthcare, until people can get childcare, the fascist devolution will continue.

    You're still clinging to this ultra liberal idea that the "marketplace of ideas" is what ultimately turns the wheel of history and politics. It's the idea that politics and history is driven by individuals taking ideological stances, and that the only way to change history is to change minds. This could not be more incorrect. I really encourage you to do some introductory reading into Marxism - which historically has been the greatest defense against fascism, as well as has the most comprehensive explanation of how fascism happens. Wage Labor and Capital is a great start.

  • Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact covered up by the usual patriotism somehow?

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  • For starters, understanding that American fascism is not the result of voters simply not being informed enough. The idea that, if all Trump supporters simply had access to better information, if they all had better education, if they were exposed to the right argument... then they'd see the light and turn into democrats - is a supremely liberal idea. We need to understand that no amount of epic slams, no amount of late night talk show roasts, no amount of facts and logic will steer us out of fascism.

    As we devolve deeper and deeper into fascism, it has been frustrating watching liberals flail to try and understand how the devolution is happening: is it because people are uneducated? Is it because of Joe Rogan's podcasts? Is it because of Russian spies? Is it because Trump has started a cult? Is it because Fox News? Is it because lead was used in gasoline 50 years ago? Is it because we use lead water pipes? Is it because of Ronald Reagan? All of this waffling to avoid the hard questions. I.e, "is it possible that fascism is the only logical conclusion a nation which was founded solely by white landowners to do wholesale on genocide on native Americans?"

    If you fail to start thinking about this devolution into fascism in terms of history, class, and material conditions, you're always going to be hopelessly confused about the structures and frameworks that allow fascism to fester.

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    Democrats Have Learned Absolutely Nothing From Defeat

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  • This is the logical conclusion to "vote blue no matter who".

  • Zoomers & Boomers are the same

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  • Lot of boomer-like fist shaking in these comments.

    Newer generations are going to find different things to excel at, and they'll inevitably give up on some of the old ways.

  • 75% of US scientists who answered Nature poll consider leaving

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  • And what would keep conservatism from sprouting once again in this scenario?

    Conservatism is not the issue; the issue is capitalism. Put the capitalists against the wall.

  • Judge who ruled against Trump deportation flights will oversee Signal lawsuit

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  • What makes you say that? It has went over perfectly well for the Trump team, and it was honestly a huge success for them in legitimizing this push for supreme executive power.

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  • Can anyone else think of another state whose constitution explicitly enshrines the right to enslave people?

  • UK on alert after H5N1 bird flu spills over to sheep in world-first

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  • Can't wait till I'm hunkered in my basement with a shotgun and my last cans of food, all to see a mouse run by and realize I just got infected.

  • US could default on debt as soon as July

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  • You didn't really address any of my points... you've just stuck your fingers in your ears and are clinging to blind faith that the liberal order is working exactly and expected, and some higher being is going to swoop down from the clouds and magically steer us out of this fascist debacle... good luck with that. Since you're not serious anymore, I'll leave you a quote from Hitler.

    “And so, I established in 1919 a programme and tendency that was a conscious slap in the face of the democratic-pacifist world. [We knew] it might take five or ten or twenty years, yet gradually an authoritarian state arose within the democratic state, and a nucleus of fanatical devotion and ruthless determination formed in a wretched world that lacked basic convictions.

    Only one danger could have jeopardised this development — if our adversaries had understood its principle, established a clear understanding of our ideas, and not offered any resistance. Or, alternatively, if they had from the first day annihilated with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement.

    Neither was done. The times were such that our adversaries were no longer capable of accomplishing our annihilation, nor did they have the nerve. Arguably, they furthermore lacked the understanding to assume a wholly appropriate attitude. Instead, they began to tyrannise our young movement by bourgeois means, and, by doing so, they assisted the process of natural selection in a very fortunate manner.

  • US could default on debt as soon as July

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  • pointing out his lies and failures to people who may have voted for him to erode his support

    What evidence do you have that this works? If anything, the last decade has demonstrably proved that this idea is false.

    You can appeal to facts and logic until the cows come home, but you're not going to make a dent in his approval rating or quell fascism. This is pure liberalism: the idea that the marketplace of ideas is what ultimately turns the wheel of history - the idea that with an epic enough slam, with enough scathing blasts, with enough late night talk show hit pieces, with enough appeals to facts and logic, you can convince a fascist to reason themselves out of being fascist. Although that might work once in a blue moon, it’s not how you systematically stop fascism. Fascism thrives when material conditions for working-class people start to deteriorate, so the only way to stamp it out is either to kill the fascists or make material changes to the daily lives of working people. The dems have shown zero interest in doing either. It is pretty scary to me that your idea of "fighting injustice" ultimately just boils down to virtue signaling online about how you're so much smarter than the fascists who fail to see (or simply dont care) about Trump's hypocrisy. Liberals are getting mighty jumpy since the only recourse they have included in their poltical framework is linking politifacts on Facebook and hoping fascism magically dies.

  • US could default on debt as soon as July

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  • Way to dodge the question. I'll try again: what is to be gained by highlighting Trump's hypocrisy?

    The fact that you not only dodged the question, but got hostile, makes me think you already have an idea.

  • US could default on debt as soon as July

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  • Every lie he told should be constantly spouted back at him and his cronies.

    Why? Honest question. What's the point?

  • Steve Bannon admits Maga operatives ‘working’ on third term for Trump

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  • Just like Biden used the SCOTUS immunity ruling to legally assassinate trump?

    Democrats will not ever break precedent.

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    Israel publicly announces genocidal intent

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  • Liberals will jump up and down at handwringing genocide versus full blown genocide due to this weird utilitarianism they're clinging to as their empire crumbles.

    Biden's constituents wanted an end to the genocide in Gaza. Biden ignored these constituents. Biden lost. That is how democracy works, and this outcome was more American than apple pie.

    Screw the liberals who say that withholding votes to pressure politicians (the entire point of a democracy) is somehow fascist.

  • 'You felt you could disregard it?': Judge grills Trump DOJ over White House ignoring oral order

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  • Fair enough. That was wrong of me to falsely insinuate.

    However, I'd still posit that these sort of milquetoast strategies are so ineffective and distracting, that they ought to not be brought up at all since they defang otherwise radical people and distract from real solutions.

    In other words, Trump and team would like nothing more than for the opposition to waste untold millions in legal fees (and weeks of prolonged court time) all to make him auto pen a document over the course of 15 minutes. These suggestions are worth less than nothing.

  • 'You felt you could disregard it?': Judge grills Trump DOJ over White House ignoring oral order

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  • It literally takes trump 20 seconds to tell an aid to start paperwork for a pardon.

    After 8 years of watching the legal system completely and utterly fumble any semblance of justice against Trump, it is bizarre to see you hail legal action as the ultimate method of dismantling the Trump regime. Big "I think Mueller is still going to bring Trump down!" energy.

    Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is "waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people" also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.

  • Chinese state media hails Trump cuts to Voice of America

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  • Previously, the CIA themselves.

    "The Committee for a Free Asia’ in 1951, sanctioned by the National Security Council and with the knowledge of Congressional Oversight Committees, supported by covert indirect CIA funding, the Committee had been created to help find ways to contain and expand private U.S. contact and communication with people of Asia following the establishment of Communist regimes in China and North Korea. The emphasis was on a private instrumentality that would be privately governed and have the freedom and flexibility to do things the government would like to see done but which it chose not to do or could not do directly."

    "The question has been asked: 'Why a Radio Free Asia?' It is proposed to answer that question in terms of our objectives in the Far East and the effectiveness of radio in accomplishing them … Apart from its covert propaganda usefulness to the United States, RFA proposes to speak to Asia in the vernacular of Asia and about the things with which Asians are most concerned. It proposes to assist and encourage Asians in fighting Communism and establishing or recovering their dependence by spreading the truth in Asia about Asians.

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/cia-and-committee-free-asia-under-project-dtpillar