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  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

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  • Some people just have a Right Wing mindset. They're drawn to concepts like loyalty & obedience to authority and gravitate to political doctrines that stress those values. If Communism makes economic sense to you but you're politically uncomfortable with shallow/non-existent hierarchies or don't feel that everyday people can be trusted with political power you gravitate towards being a ML. If you're willing to force those views on others by threat of state violence you're now a Tankie.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

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  • I find myself endless reminding people that there isn't always a "good guy". Sometimes it's bad guys vs bad guys or bad guys vs worse guys.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

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  • supporting imperialists

    What part of opposing hierarchies equates in your mind to supporting extreme examples of hierarchies?

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

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  • How socialist is a system that crushes the working class beneath it's boot heel, though? Is that really the working class seizing the means of production because that just seems like someone else beating us to the punch and becoming our new overlords.

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

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  • So it boils down to "at least the trains run on time"?

  • How do people actually fall into the "Tankie" mindset?

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  • me and the other libs

    Is this a parody?

  • Workers and the Vanguard have different class interests

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  • It doesn't help the working class if a different group like the Vanguard seize them instead.

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    stethoscope theory

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  • Then do some thinking. You're clearly not processing what's being said. A whole bunch of different people with different beliefs that believed in No Kings all literally sat on the Left side of the room. A whole bunch of people who believed in kings and tradition sat on the Right side of the room. Literally. Physically sat there on different sides of the room. How complicated is that?

  • Workers and the Vanguard have different class interests

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  • If the Vanguard seize the means of production, then the Working class still need to seize the means of production or we're still at square one.

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    stethoscope theory

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  • This looks like something a centrists dreamed up. Or someone who had their view of the Left warped and poisoned by Bolsheviks

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    stethoscope theory

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  • “The short-fingered vulgarian”

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    stethoscope theory

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  • "The short-fingered vulgarian"

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  • This is just for Stalin and what I could quickly pull off the internet

    in Moscow area:

    Kuntsevo Dacha ("Near Dacha") Uspenskoye Dacha (Far Dacha, old) Semyonovskoye Dacha (Far Dacha, new) Zubalovo dacha, the first one; not preserved[1] Lipki dacha; not preserved[1] Elsewhere in Russia:

    Sochi dacha (Matsesta dacha) Bolshiye Brody dacha, Valday, Novgorod Oblast[1]

    There were 5 Stalin's dachas in Abkhazia[2]

    New Athos dacha Kholodnaya Rechka dacha Lake Ritsa dacha Sukhumi dacha, amid the Sukhumi arboretum (now part of the Sukhumi botanical garden) Miusera dacha

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    stethoscope theory

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  • Over time, Russians came to see "Nazi" as anyone who opposes them.

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  • A country getting bombed into Rubble doesn't justify it becoming a hereditary monarchy no matter how much whataboutism you toss around. Nor do the sins of other countries absolve the sins of the Kim family towards their own country.

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    stethoscope theory

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  • Far right stuff like the defeat of Nazism

    More like collaborated with the Nazis and then defended themselves when Germany invaded. But to be more blunt, tons of Right Wing people, nations, and leaders contributed to the defeat of Nazism. Political ideology played little role for most compared to National affiliation. Numerous right wing partisan groups fought the Nazis AND leftists.

    Far right stuff like universal right to housing and to work

    Serfs always had a right to housing and work and no one would argue that serfdom is Left Wing.

    Far right stuff like supporting anti-imperialist liberation movements

    Far right stuff like being an Empire

    But lets dispense with the tit for tat. The Bolsheviks were far right because they believe that power should rest in the hands of the political elite and not the people. Workers were denied self-determination, denied political power, denied control over the means of production, and faced violence for not complying with the Ruling Class; all hallmarks of the Far Right.

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  • The revolution was not simple but the seating chart was very simple.

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  • That’s putting so many things on one axis

    It puts very little on one axis. No kings or Kings. Originally that was literally a question of how people wanted the French revolution to go.

  • You are all lost!

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  • The clear part is that a wealthy former Imperial senator used to polite consensus building believes those things.