Emperor

The Channels in Friendica are similar to the “antennas” / “newspickers” in Misskey / Sharkey. Both are very good ways to receive content sorted by self-defined topics.

That's good to hear. I have a test account on a *key fork and the Antennas are a great feature.

The naming of things is so tricky when comparing different services. I stumbled across one Friendica request to rename "forums" to "groups" and "groups" to "circles".

If you are looking for a way to *send *to different topics, Friendica’s (connected) “accounts” would be suitable for this, But Hubzilla offers more options for this

Yeah, that was my understanding - Hubzilla has that feature working as I'd like it but there's a way to make it work in Friendica.

Friendica offers a connector for Tumblr as well as for Bluesky. Ad hoc I can only find a German-language manual for it: https://friendica-hilfe.gitbook.io/friendica-hilfe/basics/bluesky-tumblr-und-weitere-social-media-dienste

Thanks for digging that out, it being in German might explain why I didn't find it.

That all sounds ideal and working through Bluesky's API. I now wonder why we need bridges if that works so well.

ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

I have an account on a Sharkey instance (that was previously Calckey), I definitely like the features more than Mastodon but I am missing the ability to have various blogs/channels on different topics. I'd also prefer no character limit for when I really want to get some wordage down.

ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

Damn, and people say that the Fediverse concept of instances is confusing 😄

It's a good point. At the moment there us one relay so you don't have a choice, add more in and the issue with which instance to sign up on (a stick used to beat AP) also applies to AT. In fact, the wealth of Fediverse instances might make it easier as there will, eventually, be a range of topic-specific instances.

ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

Building an ActivityPub application (APlication?) that uses AT protocol’s PDSs would be pretty interesting. Compatibility would be a nightmare, but I don’t see a reason you couldn’t have the sign up and data management work like it does on Bluesky (did:plc issues aside) and the server side/relay work with APub.

If it is all defined by a standard, you could always have a script that can read the relevant information from a PDS (with you logged in) and import it to a Fediverse account. With bridges you could even keep your following list (followers might be trickier).

Quick aside: Aren't PDSs similar to ActivityPods or Hubzilla's nomadic identities?

It’s more like the idea of adversarial interoperability he’s talked about in the past, focusing on making the transition to a new platform easier by forcing compatibility between nominally incompatible platforms.

And that makes sense to a degree. If we can't get everyone to the Fediverse, we can at least move them to a half-way house where it is much easier to get at the data and so the final move to the Fediverse can be a lot simpler.

The article does imply he thinks that Bluesky will enshittify, so our focus as activists of the good internet should be on tools to make the inevitable migration easier.

Indeed, that's why I like the idea of escape pods, not just fire exits, so people can just flick a switch and get out. Fire exits can get dangerous if everyone rushes for the door when the place burns down.

I am unsure if it is feasible but I'd like a bridge that I suppose is more like a bot. You post on the Fediverse and it updates your posts there, passes over new posts by followers, etc. and vice versa if you are commited to BS. Then if the main end of your pipe is BS and it enshittifies, you change the direction of flow and are now seamlessly on the Fediverse. As both sides work to protocols it feels like you just need a translator between. I know Friendica integrates with BS to some degree, so it may already be doing that.

Bluesky also buys us more time to establish topic specific instances. I feel these would make people's deciding on an instance much easier.

I just don’t think “Free Our Feeds” is that.

No, I am not convinced because to make it truly decentralised you'd need a number of relays and it just seems too expensive, at the moment (if BS enshittifies and everyone leaves for the new place then it may only be a stop-gap measure). It feels like a waste of time, effort and money but then the history of the Internet is filled with dead ends but we learned something new each time - I've been on FriendsReunited, MySpace, Google+, etc and it's a pain to start afresh each time, why I'd largely checked out before the Fediverse. I suppose I learned to not do that again and try for a "forever home".

I've seen people on BS already nervously promoting their mailing lists as they are concerned about enshittification. I think if we are at that stage it needs a better plan.

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ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

It's still millionaires saving us from billionaires, which shows how difficult it is to run a relay. If the main Bluesky relay enshittifies and everyone jumps ship Bluesky 2 then that is still a single point of failure, what if the funding dries up or the millionaires get bored? The users would struggle to cover the costs themselves.

It feels like that amount of money could be better spent on adding features (like independent IDs) as well as building better bridges, even the ability to import a Bluesky profile to Mastodon or the *key forks. Forget adding a fire exit and build some escape pods.

The whole piece comes across as... apologetic:

If I had my way, all those people enjoying themselves on Bluesky would come and enjoy themselves in the Fediverse.

And you get the feeling this isn't the solution he'd have wanted but it at least looks like some.kind of solution so he's prepared to support it, albeit grudgingly.

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ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

I think I'm now obliged to disagree with you and my own previous stance. 🤪

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ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

“Please introduce me to Marxism (and Marxist Lemmy)”, but get this, from this URL: https://startrek.website/post/18021528.
That’s the thing about how “federation” works -> it’s their content, but unless a place is specifically added to a defederation list by name, it’s also our content as well - in this case, Star.Trek.Website’s content.

Indeed, but: a) defederating the Three Big Bads would have stopped that coming through and b) that wouldn't appear in "Local" or "Subscribed" even if it is technically on your home instance.

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ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

In order to avoid this, what would you think of having a “new joiners” instance, where
hexbear, lemmygrad and ml would be defederated
politics and news communities would be blocked at the instance level

I could see the first point being almost the default for topic-specific instances (along with not allowing NSFW material). Who wants to join a D&D, MTG, Star Wars, instance only to run headfirst into a Stalinist troll? With the caveat that I don't see them that much unless Russia gets a mention in !uk_politics@feddit.uk.

I am unsure if the latter is needed - give people the option to subscribe or block politics, shitposts and memes. Perhaps start with the default to "Local" and have an introduction thread about it. However, I may be a statistical outlier as I default to "Local" and rarely use "All" and so don't run into things I am not signed up for.

ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

They can't. At some point you have to wonder if this is a feature not a bug. You'll always be beholden to the largesse of millionaires. Whether that's a charity or not.

ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 @feddit.uk 1y ago

Hubzilla allows for a "nomadic identity" and some services allow you to log in using other services - !neodb@lemmy.zip has a long list of logins it allows (not Lemmy... yet).