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I'm an anarchocommunist, all states are evil.

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  • You don’t have to switch anything. You get a LTS kernel when you install and can sit on it for many years. If you hit EOL on a LTS kernel it will switch it out for you. Manjaro currently ships a wide variety of LTS kernels that are under active support: 4.19, 5.4, 5.10, 5.15, 6.1 and 6.6.

    That works great unless you have nvidia, in which case it will break terribly many times and you all of a sudden won't be able to install packages because you need to update desperately but nvidia conflicts with that version of the lts kernel

    things like this happen all the time on manjaro, and have for years.

    I found out that it worked this way, because it broke. Repeatedly. Across multiple machines, multiple times.

    But I don’t want to use Fedora. Manjaro is a much better experience out of the box, and it’s a much less opinionated distro.

    Then use mint or endeavoros, suggesting people use manjaro is suggesting a fundamentally broken experience. This is a distro that made steam uninstall your desktop environment. Their incompetence is genuinely incredible. How could you not notice that problem with your two week delay that clearly adds nothing?

    If you want arch but with a two week delay that manages to make things less stable at worst, and accomplishes nothing at best, use manjaro, but if you want a system that never breaks, don't use manjaro, or arch, really.

    What I don't understand about manjaro fundamentally is why on earth you would want a distro that does break, but isn't bleeding edge/minimal, the problem is that manjaro is supposed to be the "easy to use" edition of arch, but i've spent far more time doing maintenance on manjaro systems than arch systems, so what's the benefit? The GUI? If you're reliant on a GUI, I doubt you want a system that ever breaks, use debian, if that's too out of date for you, fedora, or mint, there's just not a set of desires that corresponds with manjaro being the best choice for you. If you don't want to switch because you're used to it, that's fine, it honestly doesn't matter, but we shouldn't be telling people to use it, or advertising it.

  • Negative feedback is important. The notion that people should only give positive feedback is harmful, and should be reconsidered.

  • It's an ambitious goal without reason, just use fedora if you want a stable distro, why would you hack arch into something it simply isn't?

    You realize their strategy for making it "stable" is just waiting two weeks and hoping it works? That isn't anything like what any good stable distro does.

    The fact is, everything you're saying that you want the system to do, manjaro isn't even good at. And all the benefits you'd get from arch, manjaro ruins.

    Either use endeavoros and enjoy the benefits of arch, or use fedora and enjoy a stable distro. Manjaro is neither and bad at both.

  • It’s not Arch. It doesn’t do things the way Arch does. It caters to people who don’t ever want to think about what kernel version they run.

    That is exactly why it should do what I said, on arch I never have to think about this, on manjaro, you have to manually switch it out for no real reason.

    Here’s what I consider simple. I install the distro. That’s it, I’m done. I don’t have to tinker with the kernel, or with drivers, or with anything. It just works.

    Then endeavoros is simple and manjaro is absolutely not. Manjaro fails to "just work" literally constantly. Remember when linus tried to use it and a steam update uninstalled his DE? shit like this constantly happens manjaro side. It's a comedy of errors.

    And yes I realize that’s complete nonsense to an Arch user, to whom tinkering with this stuff is the whole point. Which is why I keep saying, Manjaro is not Arch, stop bashing your head against the wall, you’ll only hurt yourself and hate the experience.

    If you don't want to tinker at all, use fedora, it's exactly designed for your exact usecase. The problem isn't that manjaro doesn't do the things you're saying, it's that for everything you want, there is a significantly better choice than manjaro.

  • I did stop using it??

  • I have literally years of experience with the distro.

    I have installed it for many people, and completely regretted it every time.

  • why would they not just use linux-lts then? that's still insanity. and eventually the LTS versions get out of date and you have the exact same problem just later, there's no need for this, just install both linux-lts and linux like arch does and it'll get out of the way, and you can easily fall back to linux-lts if something goes wrong, it's a much simpler system, versioning the packages completely defeats the purpose of updating your system. It's so much simpler than what you're describing and this is the distro that's supposed to be easier to use?

  • Sorry, but, no. Pretty much any distro can do all of that perfectly well, the fedoras of the world, the mints of the world, but they don't break constantly.

    I have given manjaro to 3 people and used it myself for many years, i got sick of it because the team is incredibly incompetent and just breaks things all the time, i've switched to arch and all of these problems have gone away.

    let me give you an example of a design flaw that has caused strife for every single person I have given manjaro, how the kernel is handled.

    Manjaro does not let you sudo pacman -S linux, instead, you get linux with the version number as the package, this means for the standard user, your kernel will become outdated, unless you think to go out of your way to update it. This has broken every system of every normal person I have given manjaro at some point, and then i've had to go through GREAT lengths to resolve the issue for them, all of which I had to do from a terminal. Updating the kernel should be the default of any sane distro, and I have never encountered another distro that made this such a hassle by default.

    https://github.com/arindas/manjarno

    You can read this for other examples of how incompetent the team is, i'm sorry but there's just no usecase for manjaro, if you want a GUI, you should simply use something other than arch, like fedora. I see no advantages to manjaro over arch personally, but if you desperately need a GUI, just use something else instead of trying desperately to hack arch into something that it simply is not.

    Manjaro takes the good things about arch, the KISS philosophy, throws that in the trash, adds nothing of value and breaks shit. Endeavoros is the same thing but better in every way, and arch even has an installer now.

    Furthermore, if you're in need of a GUI, you're probably going to hate when manjaro finally does break and you're dropped in a terminal with no experience whatsoever, which will inevitably happen.

  • Manjaro should not even be considered in the modern distro landscape, the story of manjaro is just a series of incompetent mistakes.

  • If you use gnome/kde I highly recommend an immutable distribution like kinoite or silverblue, if you prefer SUSE, microos is the equivalent. It's unbelievably good if you want something that just works all the time.

  • It's 100% not hardware, none of the issues that I had were related to hardware, they all appeared on all 3 machines simultaneously, or were fundamental design issues

    an example of a fundamental design issue is the way the linux kernel packages are handled, they're numbered, which means when you run the updater, you don't automatically get the newest one, they should've used an ignorepkg or something else to achieve the same effect, because now if you don't manually go in and change the kernel after a year or so, which no normal user would think to do, it breaks an unbelievable amount of shit, especially with nvidia drivers. This is just one of many horrible things that happened with that distro, you should really give endeavor or anything else a shot, even default arch is great now since there's an installer.

    I truly believe there's literally no reason to use manjaro.

  • I'm speaking from experience, my experience has been absolutely abhorrent, i've given it to 3 people and thoroughly regretted it every time, troubleshooting insane problems that never happened on arch. I have nothing but awful experiences with the distro.

    It was great until it broke, and it inevitably will break in unforeseen ridiculous ways. Over and over again. One of the peoples computers I maintain refuses to switch to kinoite and I dread working on his computer because manjaro is such a terrible experience.

    There's a reason there's a trend. Manjaro makes arch significantly worse, adds nothing to the equation except maintenance burden, and breaks a bunch of shit for everyone else too. It's just an absolutely awful distro, probably the worst of all time, and I say this as someone with literally years of experience with the distro.

  • With the black box, you should do a report, the advantage of this is if you do it, and a developer actually addresses it, it'll be solved for everyone, meaning your only troubleshooting step will be waiting for an update:

    https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/Bugs.html

    It'd help them out too, and that's also a very likely spot to get troubleshot, as the devs are very knowledgeable.

    Unfortunately the situation with nvidia is just horrible ATM because nvidia won't stop being horrible.

  • you should really report that bug to the greeter people, that should be fixed for everyone

  • I'm not sure why/if that matters honestly, aside from discoverability I guess.

  • Are you aware of flatseal?

    If you are, is there an issue with using it for you?

  • If you're using gnome/kde, I see no reason not to run immutable, the advantages of not being immutable are that you can piece together your system, if you're running i3/sway/whatever, being able to choose your panel, your launcher, etc actually has value.

    The advantages of immutable are that you'll never end up with a broken system, you can easily roll back to a not broken one if something does break, and the system is separate from your apps.

  • I highly recommend, as a beginner and a windows user, using fedora kinoite

    It's immutable, which means you can't break the system unless you try very hard, and even then, it'll give you a list of previous setups to boot from, and updates can't break it.

    It also keeps the system separate from your apps by using flatpak, the intricacies aren't really important as a beginner but basically this means you'll have an absolutely stable rock solid system that you never have to do weird maintenance for

    I would highly recommend trying it out, and i'm absolutely willing to help with any issues you run into, feel free to message me on matrix @communist:mozilla.org or here.

    as for your questions:

    • How would I install NVIDIA drivers?

    https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-kinoite/troubleshooting/

    ^ guide is here, a few terminal commands, then you're done

    • Does Wayland work with NVIDIA?

    https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland/Nvidia ^Yes, here's the known issues page for kde

    • A lot of distros are moving to Wayland. How would I ensure I stay on an Xorg session?

    You choose X11 or wayland on the login screen.

    • I enjoy modding Bethesda games. Does Mod Organizer work fully on Linux?

    https://github.com/Nexus-Mods/NexusMods.App

    ^this is actually the successor, and it works natively on linux.

    I used to use mod organizer and it also works although is a bit more annoying to setup.

    • I’ve had difficulties running my steam games through proton on my laptop. Does promton work with Fedora?

    Yes, but I recommend installing proton ge through flatpak and setting it as the default with this command:

     
             flatpak install com.valvesoftware.Steam.CompatibilityTool.Proton-GE
    
    
      

    Then go to steams settings > compatibility > enable steam play for all other titles, and run other titles with proton-ge

    • With said difficulties with proton, would installing Steam as a flatpak work or will it cause issues?

    That's the only way to do it on kinoite, and will not cause issues.

    • Can you really not play any games with anti-cheat?

    Right now as far as i'm aware only easy-anticheat works. With others you're SOL.

    edit: use this apparently https://areweanticheatyet.com/