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  • Given the discussion surrounding this, anyone who’s into gaming should check out Soma; as it tackles a lot of the questions/scenarios in this thread but with robot host instead of clones. Minor spoiler:

    Including one of the copies still being there (and conscious) after you transfer to a new “body” and the protagonist freaking out at the implications of this occurring.

  • https://lemmy.world/comment/19982865

    So that just leaves determining the man's intent, but the police have refused to investigate the case.

    Which is unfortunately uncommon in these type of cases.

    Either because they're inept (likely) or there are details we are unaware of.

    I agree the former is likely and has been historically. Which is what makes thread like this frustrating because instead of “hey the police should investigate this fully” it’s become people arguing she wasn’t assaulted by their definition and people adding misinformation like “she only saw him naked because she entered the house” from old mate. To straight up accusing her of lying as referenced in the link.

  • Yeah, it’s been a grim series of comment chains. I expected better for some reason but hey at least there’s been some pushback to that rhetoric i guess.

  • Since you’ve gone around and replied to 3 different comments with essentially the same thing I’ll reply to this one. In large because I think it’s interesting you’ve chose this comment to reply to, since it’s me pointing out the prior commenter implied “she was probably shit at her job and made everything up”. Which is a completely baseless thing claim.

    He was allegedly visibly naked through the open door. Either he left the door open intentionally or not is the issue that a court/police should investigate, i agree with that much. I don’t know when or why we’ve suddenly decided she’s a potential perpetrator here but I doubt she’d be able to be charged with trespassing or breaking and entering, since again, the door was open.

  • Consent is important to you in regard to her behaviour but a dude obviously lying in order to expose himself to a young woman? “What consent, oh and he was probably just drunk or some other excuse”. Where has the video been shared because I can’t track it down?

    Edit: this guy upvoted the following comment further down.

    Pretty much “she was probably shit at her job and made it all up” but I’m sure you’re super concerned about consent and privacy though lol.

  • Nice. Now we’re at the straight up blaming her and downplaying sexual harassment part of the conversation. Never mind she had video evidence of this incident.

  • Read my comment again. I said "the threat of physical escalation".

    ??? I did and my reply was “that’s your definition. The courts dont operate under your definitions” but polite.

    She had to walk in his home to see him naked.

    Source? Even if she did after, the door was open. After he instructed her to “leave it at the door”.

    Public indecency laws don't apply. His home isn't a public space, even if he left the door open.

    Im just going to paste what I already replied to you in another thread

    But, “exposure can be deemed indecent if visible from public areas, such as a street or neighbor’s yard,”

    You do seems to be trying very hard to argue this behaviour is fine and appear to be doing your absolute best not to understand the myriad of information I’ve presented to you as being indicative of this man being a potential sexual offender. Yo yo’ing from “being naked in your house isn’t illegal” to “this doesn’t meet my definition of sexual assault” despite both of those being incorrect contextually and arguably irrelevant.

  • Ok well the legal definition is different, so that is worth factoring in to your own definition. That doesn’t even work for traditional physical assault, as in some jurisdictions you can be charged with assault for threatening it as well.

    If he just really wanted to expose himself to a stranger? Maybe lewd behavior or something? He's in his own home and there's nothing illegal about just being naked in your home

    Just is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that first sentence. As I mentioned in another reply, being naked in your home (which is relevant to public nudity/indecency laws, not sexual harassment or assault laws) can be illegal if viewable from public spaces. Just because he may not be eligible to be charged for public indecency, doesn’t mean he can’t be charged with another offence.

    He's gross and deserves to lose his account, but what else do you think should happen?

    Some form of sexual harassment/assault charge, even if minor, unless he can demonstrate with evidence there’s a reasonable explanation for him being naked when he knows a stranger is approaching his home. Maybe a small fine/community work but most importantly the charge establishes a history of sexual offences if his offending develops into a pattern or escalates in the future.

  • Something else did happen, he ordered food and had someone coming around to deliver said food and left the door open. Also, he potentially did do something illegal, again from the article:

    The legal criteria for indecent exposure often rely on the idea of an incident happening in “public space.” But, “exposure can be deemed indecent if visible from public areas, such as a street or neighbor’s yard,” according to legalclarity.org.

  • The article uses the term harassment more than assault. Either way rape isn’t the only thing charged as sexual assault and depending on jurisdiction, can encapsulate a variety of offending.

    Sexual assault is a broad term that captures any sexual act or attempt to engage in a sexual act where consent is not obtained or freely and voluntarily given. It represents any behaviour of a sexual nature that makes someone feel uncomfortable, frightened, intimidated, or threatened.

    Also, so what if it wasn’t that form of specific sexual assault? I doubt your implying that anything less than rape should be handwaved away so I’m a bit confused by the whole “that isn’t sexual assault” rhetoric I’ve seen on this post.

  • I think the larger point here is the article has presented someone as being a potential victim of sexual harassment; in which she faces punishment from her employers. Yet people are questioning her actions and making excuses for the bloke. I think that’s worth pointing out, not really a matter of “being correct” imo.

  • If I get drunk and crash into a sidewalk, that doesn’t change the nature of what happened nor my responsibility in bringing it about. Even if he was drunk and got naked, it changes virtually nothing about the situation. I don’t get to go around waving my little guy at women just because I get pissed prior.

    I think the term sexual harassment was used not assault (edit: in the article. Regardless assault can mean different things in different jurisdictions). Not holding people who engage in sexual harassment (or assault) to account decreases the safety of women who could be put in that situation daily. It also enables perpetrators by excusing their behaviour. There could be a million explanations for why he was naked, some might even be plausible but more likely the guy is a creep.

  • “It’s cold outside… your lights are on, your door is open, and you just ordered DoorDash… And within 15 minutes, you’re asleep on the couch naked? Come on now. That is voyeurism,” she said regarding the incident.

    Or maybe, just don’t be a creep that strips (or remains) naked and tries to get a gig worker to see you naked? You’re a woman at work and a strange man, in an area unfamiliar to you, has tried to engineer a situation where you walk into him being naked. Recording was likely a safety instinct as well as expecting people wouldn’t believe her if she decided to report something.

    I don’t think people expecting to work without random men getting naked around them is the problem here.

  • I liked some of her stuff. Pink Friday was a decent debut for that sort of music. That and Annaconda made for an entertaining watch while at the gym however many moons ago. I think Sexy Redd and Megan Thee do it better. All I hear of her lately is her trying to diss the newer wave of artist because she losing relevancy and her cringe “omg Im actually so unhinged” ramblings live. Sounds like this is more of the same, trying to get drama headlines due to declining relevance.

  • Im good, it’s clear you’re not actually interested. Id hate for your real wife and all your deaf friends to laugh at me again for providing examples of said tools while you unironically claim Im “just trying to win an internet argument”.

  • Your wife spit her food at out the idea of someone providing the requested example of accessibility tools used by deaf or hard of hearing? Im hearing impaired by the way. Maybe you should show your totally real wife this study suggesting low penetration due to stigma attached using them. Maybe you should ask your wife how she’s feels about people using her disability as an excuse for being irresponsible while driving; though Im super worried she’ll just laugh at me again. Most of my partners haven’t seen or heard of most of the devices I use for hearing loss until they dated me. Guess that means they don’t exist by your definition.

  • Im sure they are. All just standing around laughing at my link showing something exist that you claimed didn’t, that’s very funny after all.

  • Not to the point that you can’t hear or with ANC. Im advocating for not using headphones while driving at all, because it’s dangerous and irresponsible. Your point of “deaf people exist so headphones while driving is fine” is incorrect. Furthermore, if I stop replying it’ll likely be due to not wanting to debate with someone trying to defend dangerous driving habits.