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  • Less defeatist than just mindlessly supporting regime change again even though the last two dozen times were horrific catastrophes.

  • How can America be racist when they had a Black President?

  • Well the US and Israel are much worse than Russia, so they should be treated worse than that, as should Western European countries that support their atrocities

  • Yup, and western European countries that participated should be vilified as well.

  • Feel free to leave

  • Yeah they do, they just claim afterwards that they didn't. One Day Everyone Will Have Been Against This.

  • Nobody mentioned Trump. I am so fucking sick of liberals acting like the US wasn’t constantly attacking other countries before Trump.

  • Nobody mentioned Trump. I am so fucking sick of liberals acting like the US wasn't constantly attacking other countries before Trump.

  • Representative government is not to blame for imperialism. Getting rid of representative government will make abuses worse not better

    Who said anything about representative government? We were talking about the authoritarian dogshit that western "liberal democracy" has always been. Stop trying to Motte and Baily

    the worse countries like Israel have gotten

    This is borderline genocide apologia. Israel has always been this bad. It's just that you, the privileged western liberal, didn't give a shit before

    killing Americans with impunity, cancelling our freedom of speech, and now our politicians importing their politics, and now the feds trying to import their occupation into american cities.

    None of this shit is new. Again, you just didn't care about it until now. And stoping acting like it's so much worse to have the shit that "liberal democracies" have enthusiasticly supported in Palestine for decades happen to white westerners, is fucking blatant racism.

    The Imperial Boomerang was always going to happen.

    Yes, which is why it's insane to want to "restore" the system that threw that boomerang.

    That is rather seperate from the ideals of the enlightenment when the west threw off the shackels of the church and state and investigated the natural world and learned how everything works, obtaining the freedom of speech and publication, of association, and eventually of electing our leaders.

    Uhuh. You also committed mass colonial genocide, killing and enslaving billions. But oh you "learned how everything worked", so I guess you're now omnipotent ubermensch who are just better than those uncivilised barbarians.

    A relic of the classical era defunct from the late empire, when Rome suffered it’s own imperial boomerang now that you mention it, and everyone was walking from their jobs as they would not pay for taxes let alone life, and they bound everyone to to their jobs for life and made feudalism, an evil that would last the better part of two thousand years.

    This would get an F in middle school history class.

    Nevermind every government has done this type of thing as they are able

    Typical Western liberal, always assuming everyone else is as evil as you and then using that as a justification for your evil. "It's ok for us to kill hundreds of millions! Everyone else is doing it (I assume)" literal Nazi shit

    Ironically putting the very people responsible for those abuses as much as any in permanent uncontested control of the government, to visit the same horrors on their own people, and every other country weaker than them.

    You're just making up bullshit now.

    Not very enlightened if you ask me.

    Oh forgive me oh enlightened white man! This poor savage just can't match your civilized ways. With your "representative government" where you get represented and we just get carpet bombed.

  • That's exactly what they mean

  • "I support the countries that constantly start wars subjugating the country that doesn't, because one day it might! And I support doing it even if it emiserates the people there"

    This is just fascism

  • Jesus Christ, it's disgustingly that you consider enforcing your ideology to be the goal and not the welfare of the actual people in the countries being economically brutalized.

  • I don't know how you can look at the Holocaust in Gaza and think "we need to restore the system that enabled this!"

    "Liberal Democracy" has been a disaster

  • How many fucking countries does the West have to turn into permanent failed states with the excuse of "improving the conditions" before you people stop falling for it? You already destroyed Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and plenty more besides, now you need to destroy Iran too?

  • Because Westerners like yourself excuse it when the West does it

  • You are the one whatabouting originally!

  • Straight from Wikipedia

    Your daily reminder that liberals think Wikipedia is literally Holy Scripture

  • The nonprofit human rights foundation

    Are you under the impression that there is one single universal "Human Rights Foundation"?

  • But I would never want to live in a country like the USSR.

    Western "socialists" and extreme privilege, name a more iconic duo