AlmightySnoo

Joke's on them, I only use Arch (btw)

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Our two quotes aren't in contradiction? Here's what the first Geneva convention defines as "wounded or sick":

Qualifying as wounded or sick in the context of international humanitarian law requires the fulfilment of two cumulative criteria: a person must require medical care and must refrain from any act of hostility. In other words the legal status of being wounded or sick is based on a person’s medical condition and conduct.

(https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gci-1949/article-12/commentary/2016 )

Being part of a terrorist organization that just committed a massacre on Oct 7 and is still holding hostages, planning a terrorist attack and carrying a gun are certainly NOT "refraining from any act of hostility".

medical units, i.e. hospitals and mobile medical facilities, may in no circumstances be attacked.[5]

Irrelevant as no medical facility got attacked (okay, they'll probably have to replace the bedding) and most importantly not a single civilian got harmed in the process.

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

Hospitals are OFF LIMITS

To terrorists too? Your oversimplification makes it seem like a clear-cut case when it's not.

With the escalation of terrorism worldwide in recent years, situations arise in which the perpetration of violence and the defense of human rights come into conflict, creating serious ethical problems. The Geneva Convention provides guidelines for the medical treatment of enemy wounded and sick, as well as prisoners of war. However, there are no comparable provisions for the treatment of terrorists, who can be termed unlawful combatants or unprivileged belligerents.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19998085/

So yes, sorry to insist on it again but it does matter and it is important to detail that the 3 assassinated were terrorists, and yes it should be considered misinformation to maliciously leave that out.

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

Don’t complaint here

Isn't that what you all did when I merely quoted the AlJazeera article to break your false implied narrative that the IDF killed 3 random civilians? Leaving important details out is misinformation. I added an important excerpt from the same article you linked to and you suddenly got "how dare you say they are terrorists".

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

You’re confusing me with someone else, or trying to put words in my mouth.

I'm referring to how commenters on c/world have been referring to this as "IDF killed 3 Palestinians" today thanks to this misinformation campaign.

you want to try and control the narrative but that’s not how this works

That's... false? I'm not the one actively leaving out the fact that the 3 killed were Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists, which the AlJazeera article even admits. And I'm not the one trying to bury this detail with downvotes to keep the false "IDF killed 3 random Palestinians" narrative alive a little longer.

You believe that no one should be assassinated like that, whether they are a terrorist or not, that's perfectly fair. (so I suppose you hate the way the US assassinated Osama Bin Laden too?)

But then, why do you feel that the affiliation should not be brought up? You should test your beliefs and go ask on c/asklemmy: "Is it morally wrong to assassinate three Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists hiding in a hospital?".

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!)

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

No target can have a high enough value to justify committing a war crime over.

Then you shouldn't have any issues with detailing that the three were Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists when you refer to this incident instead of maliciously saying "IDF killed 3 Palestinians"?

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

You're beating around the bush here. Why is it so hard for you to include the excerpt? Remember, the rules in this community allow you to do that. Why is it hard for you to write "IDF killed 3 Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists" instead of "IDF killed 3 Palestinians" when you refer to this incident?

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

All of that is entirely irrelevant

Is it? If it was irrelevant, you wouldn't need to leave it out to gather support for the assassinated terrorists. You perfectly know that the reaction would have been different if OP hadn't left it out, which is why you still insist on leaving it out, and yes, that is scummy.

Every reputable outlet is not leaving out that crucial detail:

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

You're free to ask on c/asklemmy "Is it morally wrong to assassinate three terrorists hiding in a hospital?" and get a debate going on the morality of it. It's not okay to keep spamming the lie by omission that "IDF killed 3 Palestinians", obviously insinuating that they killed 3 random civilians, in order to gather more sympathy for the terrorists.

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

Why is it "trying to defend the indefensible" when manipulation and lying by omission get called out as people here keep spamming "look the IDF killed 3 Palestinians" when it's actually 3 terrorists (one affiliated with Hamas, two with Islamic Jihad) that got killed?

You're free to argue about the morality of assassinating three terrorists in a hospital. But it's scummy to leave out the affiliation to try to mislead and gather more sympathy for the terrorists that got assassinated.

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

I'm sorry you feel sorry that Hamas and Islamic Jihad lost three terrorists today.

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

It’s irrelevant whether or not they were hamas.

It is relevant when a Hamas supporter keeps spamming on Lemmy that "3 Palestinians got murdered by Israel", insinuating that 3 totally random civilians ("dudes" in his own terms) got killed. It is manipulation, disinformation and lying by omission.

There's a reason why every reputable outlet, excluding AlJazeera which is clearly biased here and loves to editorialize the headlines (but even they admit it in the article), choose a headline that doesn't exclude that crucial piece of information:

Israeli special forces disguised as doctors kill three militants at West Bank hospital : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/30/israel-forces-disguised-women-medics-storm-hospital-jenin-west-bank
Israeli forces kill three Palestinian fighters in West Bank hospital raid : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68137050
Israeli Forces Kill a Hamas Commander Inside a West Bank Hospital, Military Says : https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-hospital-raid-hamas.html
Israeli Force Raids West Bank Hospital Disguised as Doctors, Kills Three Hamas Terrorists : https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-30/ty-article/.premium/israeli-forces-raid-west-bank-hospital-dressed-as-doctors-kill-three-hamas-terrorists/0000018d-5968-d997-adff-dd7aba630000

If you're this unhappy that 3 terrorists got assassinated, then you should be outraged by the way Osama Bin Laden got assassinated too I guess?

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

Is there a particular reason why you keep linking to a "streamable" video instead of linking to the AlJazeera article clearly saying this about those 3 assassinated:

Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.

and why you keep omitting this?

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AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

I wonder if people read beyond the headline, but it's probably too much to ask.

About those assassinated, from that same article:

Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.

Or is AlJazeera also just Israeli propaganda?

AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦 @lemmy.world 2y ago

I hope you're not hitting on me as this is the first time here that a female lemming created two accounts in a single day specifically for me 👀