Why is logging in to third party accounts the end of the world?
I play on PC too, and while it’s somewhat obnoxious dealing with Ubisoft or EA, and I also have a Playstation account, I don’t understand the big ordeal with just signing in to their stupid thing. Play the game until you’ve had enough, then be done.
You need to sign in to Steam, or Epic, or Gog or whatever. You probably sign in to emails and other accounts. Tons of things have your data whether you like it or not. The outrage all the time on this kind of thing feels really misplaced and overblown.
I hear what you’re saying, but think about it this way, should I have to log into my dvd player to watch a movie? There wouldn’t be any added experience. What about 10 years down the line when Sony decides to shut off PSN? Will they take the time to remove the requirement or will they do what they’ve done in the past and just drop support?
Forcing people to be online and log into shit is just an unnecessary hassle so that they can keep making money off their paying customers. From what I can tell, this does nothing for us. If we just “get over it” then companies will continue to be exploitive. Expressing frustration, especially as a customer is important.
Same sort of argument for more government surveillance. “I have nothing to hide”. Yeah, you have nothing to hide from the government, but what about your crazy ex? Overbearing parent? Because all it takes is one hack and now your information is available to anyone who’ll pay, maybe even for free at some point.
Sure. All valid and I agree and understand. My issue is that they do it anyways. Hardly ever do these companies change course after the backlash. They’re going to keep ramming this garbage down our throats. Being enraged all the time about this, among so many other things, gets old.
Sure. I agree. But like, it’s here to stay. The hand wringing for years has changed nothing. Why are we dying on this specific hill? It’s exhausting seeing the endless bitching about this. It’s just another idiotic thing in life where it’s probably healthier to accept it and move on.
It’s easier to accept this annoyance and move on. And then the next one. And the next. Why bother fighting anything at that point? It’s easier to let them step on us and be thankful they’ll take our money for it.
Don’t say anything that’s lest majest! Just let him have his way with you and it’ll be over by morning. Don’t fight back it’s pointless.
We were here in history before. You wanna go back? We’ve been well on our way since the 60s to another society of the wealthy and the poor. No in between. The last bout of this we called the religious dark ages and it stifled progress for two millenia.
If I understand correctly, the PSN overlay is the main issue for Linux players. This is already shitty. But they are explicitly excluding part of their potential customer base because they expect the payoff from forcing the accounts to be bigger than that loss. That should make you worry what your data will be used for, because simple upselling hasn’t worked for other attempts at forcing additional logins - why should it work for Sony?
Well you sign in into those other services like email or steam because you need an account to use those services.
But a single player game released on steam does not need it. Steam provides its own DRM that publishers/developers can use if that’s what they want to achieve with an account.
Case in point the mod this post is about, the game doesn’t need an account yet Sony is trying to force it.
Among the other things, needing an internet connection to play offline games can prevent some people from playing. Not everybody has a stable internet connection. When I had crappy rural internet I’d download a bunch of games and play when the internet was down. I wouldn’t be able to play this game in that situation.
It’s a case of voting with your wallet for most people. There are degrees of DRM that people are willing to put up with; where some people would rather go for DRM-free games on GOG, others are happy with one launcher like Steam and some others will accept each game launching its own launcher from within a meta launcher/store front.
To be honest it’s a matter of personal preference and I try to be in the 2nd group but I don’t mind what other people do. Again, personally, I dislike the idea of being apathetically brow beaten into signing up for dozens of services for the convenience of companies which provide no utility to me. Sometimes these launchers actively harm the experience by disabling steam launch options or bricking the game completely if you don’t live in the right country.
Why is logging in to third party accounts the end of the world?
I play on PC too, and while it’s somewhat obnoxious dealing with Ubisoft or EA, and I also have a Playstation account, I don’t understand the big ordeal with just signing in to their stupid thing. Play the game until you’ve had enough, then be done.
You need to sign in to Steam, or Epic, or Gog or whatever. You probably sign in to emails and other accounts. Tons of things have your data whether you like it or not. The outrage all the time on this kind of thing feels really misplaced and overblown.
I hear what you’re saying, but think about it this way, should I have to log into my dvd player to watch a movie? There wouldn’t be any added experience. What about 10 years down the line when Sony decides to shut off PSN? Will they take the time to remove the requirement or will they do what they’ve done in the past and just drop support?
Forcing people to be online and log into shit is just an unnecessary hassle so that they can keep making money off their paying customers. From what I can tell, this does nothing for us. If we just “get over it” then companies will continue to be exploitive. Expressing frustration, especially as a customer is important.
Same sort of argument for more government surveillance. “I have nothing to hide”. Yeah, you have nothing to hide from the government, but what about your crazy ex? Overbearing parent? Because all it takes is one hack and now your information is available to anyone who’ll pay, maybe even for free at some point.
Sure. All valid and I agree and understand. My issue is that they do it anyways. Hardly ever do these companies change course after the backlash. They’re going to keep ramming this garbage down our throats. Being enraged all the time about this, among so many other things, gets old.
Then go away and live your life. Let the people who are angry and energized yell at companies to try and get better conditions for consumers.
Because it serves no purpose.
Sure. I agree. But like, it’s here to stay. The hand wringing for years has changed nothing. Why are we dying on this specific hill? It’s exhausting seeing the endless bitching about this. It’s just another idiotic thing in life where it’s probably healthier to accept it and move on.
Boiling the frog and whatnot.
It’s easier to accept this annoyance and move on. And then the next one. And the next. Why bother fighting anything at that point? It’s easier to let them step on us and be thankful they’ll take our money for it.
Don’t say anything that’s lest majest! Just let him have his way with you and it’ll be over by morning. Don’t fight back it’s pointless.
We were here in history before. You wanna go back? We’ve been well on our way since the 60s to another society of the wealthy and the poor. No in between. The last bout of this we called the religious dark ages and it stifled progress for two millenia.
If I understand correctly, the PSN overlay is the main issue for Linux players. This is already shitty. But they are explicitly excluding part of their potential customer base because they expect the payoff from forcing the accounts to be bigger than that loss. That should make you worry what your data will be used for, because simple upselling hasn’t worked for other attempts at forcing additional logins - why should it work for Sony?
Your line is fucked, you’re bored, can’t play the game.
5 years down, you want to play it again, but there’s no server anymore.
Well you sign in into those other services like email or steam because you need an account to use those services.
But a single player game released on steam does not need it. Steam provides its own DRM that publishers/developers can use if that’s what they want to achieve with an account.
Case in point the mod this post is about, the game doesn’t need an account yet Sony is trying to force it.
Download game, enable offline mode on your steam deck for vacation.
Open game on the plane, in offline mode, get booted from game because you can’t log in.
Megaman battle network got me this way. Switched to emulator and played the same game before it was enshittified.
Among the other things, needing an internet connection to play offline games can prevent some people from playing. Not everybody has a stable internet connection. When I had crappy rural internet I’d download a bunch of games and play when the internet was down. I wouldn’t be able to play this game in that situation.
It’s a case of voting with your wallet for most people. There are degrees of DRM that people are willing to put up with; where some people would rather go for DRM-free games on GOG, others are happy with one launcher like Steam and some others will accept each game launching its own launcher from within a meta launcher/store front.
To be honest it’s a matter of personal preference and I try to be in the 2nd group but I don’t mind what other people do. Again, personally, I dislike the idea of being apathetically brow beaten into signing up for dozens of services for the convenience of companies which provide no utility to me. Sometimes these launchers actively harm the experience by disabling steam launch options or bricking the game completely if you don’t live in the right country.
100% agree, other than the ratio of countries that can legitimately create a PSN account (and/or buy the game).
Otherwise, seems just like the Games For Windows live stuff that people didn’t love but certainly didn’t care this much about.
E.g. Fallout 3, pre-goty.
True. I forgot having seen that people in specific countries were screwed with the stupid PSN thing. That is bullshit.