What is happening? I dunno, called out on your hateful rhetoric, perhaps? The article does not mention their crimes, just that they are convicted felons, but still people.
The article links to the above also, which resulted in the suicide of someone who spent his whole adult life in Germany who was deported to Afghanistan. Is he also “scum”?
Maybe people know more than what’s written in the article. Say, they might have read the German press. Like this article.
28 people, all convicted of serious crimes, examples given are a rapist, someone who got into trouble with the law 150 times, we have attempted manslaughter, aggravated robbery, aggravated bodily harm, another rapist, more aggravated bodily harm, more rape.
Three were held back by the state attorneys saying they want to prosecute further and/or want them to sit in prison for longer, two were not at home when police came to arrest them, one of those is now a fugitive.
Oh and all get 1000 Euros so they won’t straight-up starve on arrival.
Since they do not even seem to know why he was deported, no he was not. I don’t know what that article has to do with me not liking rapists and murderers though. Non refugee ones can be shot into space for all I care as well.
Deportation as reaction to crime or deviation is a failure of the justice system: a) Deportation to current Afghanistan for rape is not much of a penalty. b) Deprivation of liberty (jail) allegedly serves social rehabilitation; jail is thus supposed to display Täterarbeit, work with/on perpetrators to achieve accountability. Deportation of criminals deprives a society of justice.
A deported rapist isn’t going to rape any of the natives and citizens anymore.
So if I understood you correctly, “natives and citizens” symbolises people in Germany in context.
Deporting unwanted behaviour doesn’t lessen its effect in both societies, which are likely connected in some way anyways (ie not North Korea). Rape is still bad for a society if it exists in other societies, because the non-prevention (not working on perpetrators/would-be perpetrators) and subsequent normalisation of rape harms everyone.
Deportation of unwanted behaviour is a bit like exporting toxic waste; don’t expect the poison not to come back in some way.
However, it seems that in some ways neither society takes rape seriously.
In the case of many Western justice systems, such as Germany, the rapists aren’t seriously dealt with—the word “coddle” comes to mind, and we dare not mention that Islamic culture seems to tolerate rape even more.
So how do we deal with rapists?
Longer sentences? Too costly and many have criticized imprisonment.
Castration? It seems to tame other male mammals and ensures that the rapes won’t result in pregnancies, but many think it’s barbaric.
Social engineering—as all, or almost all, men are to varying degrees potential rapists, all need to be treated—which at the very least would mean more annoying PSAs that millions of non-violent men must suffer.
an additional court system for rape, where the burden of proof is lighter, but so are the punishments?
Idk.
But it seems that many men, who found refuge in a country that millions of Afghanis would probably love to go to but won’t be allowed in, who squandered the goodwill with violations of those among its more vulnerable natives and citizens, are being sent away; and I don’t think they will have that easy a time in Afghanistan. Perhaps they will be regarded as fools, as un-Islamic for leaving, easily identified if they come from some small village.
but if they stay in Germany, there might be one of 2 results:
the process reformed them, and they won’t violate again—possible but I wouldn’t count on it.
they are not reformed, and will violate again.
Also keep in mind that this isn’t really “exporting toxic waste”, but rather sending it back to where it originated, and if we are concerned with rape victims, maybe Germany could take an additional 5x that number of female refugees from Afghanistan, including their daughters and sons under 6 (the older ones possibly been too corrupted by Islamic Afghani culture).
No it is not. Once the justice system did it’s thing and people where convicted and incarcerated, they no longer meet the criteria for beiing allowed to stay in the country.
This in turn means the country has a legal obligation to zod you the F- out of their country and in the case of Germany… out of the Schengen/EU area. The person’s home country is Afghanistan, so that is where they go.
These people where informed of the strickt rules that apply to their staying in Germany, they ignored those rules and now they exhausted all their legal options to try and stay, end of the road, one way plane ride.
Meh scum can fuck right off. No sympathy for rapists.
For all the downvoters. Read the fucking article. I’m talking about scum, not refugees in general. Fucking hell.
Not what I said is it? Equating refugees to rapists/scum means it’s working on you.
Those 28 people sent back are conflicted felons. All of them committed serious crimes (Schwerverbrechen)
what the fuck is this?
An actual informed opinion instead of just an outraged comment?
Sir, this is Lemmy, I’ll have to ask you to leave!
Where the fuck did I call all refugees rapists?
Right here.
Yes the convicted felons they are sending back. Wtf is happening here.
What is happening? I dunno, called out on your hateful rhetoric, perhaps? The article does not mention their crimes, just that they are convicted felons, but still people.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/germanys-seehofer-rejects-blame-for-deportees-suicide-after-birthday-boast-idUSKBN1K11N7/
The article links to the above also, which resulted in the suicide of someone who spent his whole adult life in Germany who was deported to Afghanistan. Is he also “scum”?
Maybe people know more than what’s written in the article. Say, they might have read the German press. Like this article.
28 people, all convicted of serious crimes, examples given are a rapist, someone who got into trouble with the law 150 times, we have attempted manslaughter, aggravated robbery, aggravated bodily harm, another rapist, more aggravated bodily harm, more rape.
Three were held back by the state attorneys saying they want to prosecute further and/or want them to sit in prison for longer, two were not at home when police came to arrest them, one of those is now a fugitive.
Oh and all get 1000 Euros so they won’t straight-up starve on arrival.
Since they do not even seem to know why he was deported, no he was not. I don’t know what that article has to do with me not liking rapists and murderers though. Non refugee ones can be shot into space for all I care as well.
Aight.
Because you assumed they are all “rapists and murderers”, which they are not.
Yeah there is also grievous bodily harm and manslaughter. Not saying I’m in favor of the deportation, but all 28 committed serious crimes.
Rapists shit on human rights as well
Deportation as reaction to crime or deviation is a failure of the justice system: a) Deportation to current Afghanistan for rape is not much of a penalty. b) Deprivation of liberty (jail) allegedly serves social rehabilitation; jail is thus supposed to display Täterarbeit, work with/on perpetrators to achieve accountability. Deportation of criminals deprives a society of justice.
A deported rapist isn’t going to rape any of the natives and citizens anymore.
As for the women of Afghanistan, at least the Taliban will protect their dignity and Allāh will not forget them. /s
So if I understood you correctly, “natives and citizens” symbolises people in Germany in context.
Deporting unwanted behaviour doesn’t lessen its effect in both societies, which are likely connected in some way anyways (ie not North Korea). Rape is still bad for a society if it exists in other societies, because the non-prevention (not working on perpetrators/would-be perpetrators) and subsequent normalisation of rape harms everyone.
Deportation of unwanted behaviour is a bit like exporting toxic waste; don’t expect the poison not to come back in some way.
You make decent points.
However, it seems that in some ways neither society takes rape seriously.
In the case of many Western justice systems, such as Germany, the rapists aren’t seriously dealt with—the word “coddle” comes to mind, and we dare not mention that Islamic culture seems to tolerate rape even more.
So how do we deal with rapists?
Longer sentences? Too costly and many have criticized imprisonment.
Castration? It seems to tame other male mammals and ensures that the rapes won’t result in pregnancies, but many think it’s barbaric.
Social engineering—as all, or almost all, men are to varying degrees potential rapists, all need to be treated—which at the very least would mean more annoying PSAs that millions of non-violent men must suffer.
an additional court system for rape, where the burden of proof is lighter, but so are the punishments?
Idk.
But it seems that many men, who found refuge in a country that millions of Afghanis would probably love to go to but won’t be allowed in, who squandered the goodwill with violations of those among its more vulnerable natives and citizens, are being sent away; and I don’t think they will have that easy a time in Afghanistan. Perhaps they will be regarded as fools, as un-Islamic for leaving, easily identified if they come from some small village.
but if they stay in Germany, there might be one of 2 results:
the process reformed them, and they won’t violate again—possible but I wouldn’t count on it.
they are not reformed, and will violate again.
Also keep in mind that this isn’t really “exporting toxic waste”, but rather sending it back to where it originated, and if we are concerned with rape victims, maybe Germany could take an additional 5x that number of female refugees from Afghanistan, including their daughters and sons under 6 (the older ones possibly been too corrupted by Islamic Afghani culture).
No it is not. Once the justice system did it’s thing and people where convicted and incarcerated, they no longer meet the criteria for beiing allowed to stay in the country.
This in turn means the country has a legal obligation to zod you the F- out of their country and in the case of Germany… out of the Schengen/EU area. The person’s home country is Afghanistan, so that is where they go.
These people where informed of the strickt rules that apply to their staying in Germany, they ignored those rules and now they exhausted all their legal options to try and stay, end of the road, one way plane ride.